Transition From Youth to First Team Players

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Duncan Disordely

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Interesting article from the Echo on What Elstone claims Martinez has spotted as a weakness in our youth development.

We as fans often big our youth up and then fune in disappointment when they're sold to a lower division team without ever really being near our first team. Martinez wants to address this by continuing to work on the technical side of their games, and having a proper plan in place for then once they've graduated from the academy.

http://bit.ly/1dBQPK0

Roberto Martinez has already “hit the ground running” since being unveiled as Everton FC manager last month.

But there is one area at Goodison he is particularly keen to get his teeth into in the weeks and months ahead.

The Toffees boss is keen to help transform little boys Blue into men.

Everton had five youngsters on duty at the recent Under-20 World Championships, but while Ross Barkley has already enjoyed some first-team exposure, Martinez is keen to accelerate the progress of players like John Lundstram, John Stones, Chris Long and Luke Garbutt into fully fledged senior players.

Chief Executive Robert Elstone, speaking at a Liverpool Business Week breakfast yesterday, explained Martinez’s mission to turn promising teenagers into accomplished first teamers.

“Clearly our Academy graduates are very very important,” he said.

“Roberto has come in and probably one of the first things he has looked at is the transition between 16/17 years of age when players are almost leaving the Academy up to 21 and 22.

“He feels that we have improvements to make in that age group.

“In this country, at an age when development ought to be at its most intense and at its most valuable, we almost stop developing.

“Players go from the Academy into reserve or Under-21 football and the development plan stops.

“Roberto has already started to look at coaching and structures and how we go about looking at that very important age group.

“It’s not an area of expertise for me, but our head of Youth Development Alan Irvine and Roberto will tell you that at a point when a player is on the cusp of professional football it seems rather perverse to slow down their development.

“We should be accelerating and intensifying it at a time when technical development is still really, really important.

“We certainly can’t assume that a boy has reached his technical development by the time he reaches 17 or 18.”

Everton already have an impressive track record of developing players from their youth Academy – with Wayne Rooney, Jack Rodwell, Francis Jeffers, Gavin McCann, David Unsworth and Michael Ball all making the step up from the youth team to full England international level in the past two decades.

But equally there have been other young talents – initially rich in promise and capped at junior international levels – who failed to progress beyond a handful of senior appearances: names like Michael Branch, Jamie Milligan, Kevin McLeod, Peter Clarke, Neil Moore, Adam Farley, Phil Jevons, Nick Chadwick and Jon O’Connor.

It’s an area Martinez hopes to improve upon at Everton in the near future.

“Sometimes maybe the focus is on converting a young lad into being a tough, winning Premier League footballer to the detriment of maybe some of his technical development,” added Elstone.

“What you have to achieve is a blend of both.

“Roberto’s going to focus closely on that.

“And he’s got a great, great guy leading that in Alan Irvine and that augurs well for us getting that right.”

The Blues boss has already made an impact on all of the staff at Finch Farm and Goodison.

Elstone was in Austria along with chairman Bill Kenwright and director Jon Woods on Sunday to witness Martinez’s first match as Everton manager against Austria Vienna.

And he explained the impact the new boss has already had.

“He’s hit the ground running, is full of enthusiasm, has a great work ethic, but above else has come in with new ideas, a fresh approach – but absolutely sensitive to what’s already there because there’s already a lot of good stuff here which has been built up over a number of years.

“But he’s been terrific and we’re all excited and optimistic.

“He never stops working and he’s a very nice man. So it augurs well.

“We know this is a results game and Roberto has been absolutely phenomenal in the very short space of time he has been with us and we are all very optimistic for what lies ahead.”

It does definitely seem that we've had good quality youngsters who have totally stalled in their development, and as we know the "Moyes gives youth a chance" was based soley around Rooney, Vaughan and Anichebe, so it'll be interesting to see going forward how the kids develop
 
This is an area where English football as a whole kinda sucks, but I'm a bit confused why it's taken Martinez coming in for this to be looked at. I mean we mention Unsworth, McCann, Jeffers and Ball as though they're evidence of success, yet between them they didn't get past a handful of caps.

If you add up the number of England caps our academy graduates have achieved over the last 25 years, I'd be amazed if the rest achieved more than Rooney has on his own. That aint exactly great is it?
 
This is an area where English football as a whole kinda sucks, but I'm a bit confused why it's taken Martinez coming in for this to be looked at. I mean we mention Unsworth, McCann, Jeffers and Ball as though they're evidence of success, yet between them they didn't get past a handful of caps.

If you add up the number of England caps our academy graduates have achieved over the last 25 years, I'd be amazed if the rest achieved more than Rooney has on his own. That aint exactly great is it?

Only because you added england so as not to count Richard DUnne.
 
Only because you added england so as not to count Richard DUnne.

Well, maybe, but even with Dunne included, a record of just two academy graduates achieving more than 10 international caps in the past few decades is not much to shout about.

http://www.evertonfc.com/academy/past-players.html

Of the players on that page above, how many even achieved the relatively low mark of 50 first team games for us? Maybe half. I wouldn't say it's a great return, especially considering how little money we've had for signing players externally, you would think our environment is ideal for blooding youngsters.
 
Number of youth team players promoted from Wigan reserves/academy into Wigan first team regulars under Martinez?
 
Number of youth team players promoted from Wigan reserves/academy into Wigan first team regulars under Martinez?

To be fair, Wigan's youth set-up is very poor and Martinez has been pushing for at least the last two years to have it upgraded. I think Whelan has just bought some land to build a proper training ground and academy, but in the past they have mainly relied on picking up lads released at 16 from the bigger clubs e.g. Baines and McManaman, while Martinez has brought in some young lads from Spain as well.

As for the article quoted above, it's good that they're singing from the same hymn sheet as this is something RM mentioned in his first interviews. He thinks the transition from academy to first team is poor in this country and wants to work on improving our record in this area, and if you watched the interview with new development coach Dennis Lawrence on the OS last week this is clearly something he has been brought in to help with too.

I wish I could find the interview, but Martinez also said that he wants to change the emphasis in youth development towards a better balance of skills and physical strength, as too often in this country the smaller and more technical players can be overshadowed by the early developers.

I'd say the future's bright for our academy lads and if they're good enough they'll get every opportunity.
 
I'm still a little annoyed that Baxter never made it, although I hear that was partly his own fault for hanging around with drug dealers. Barkley was also criminally underused when there are games he was left out for that would have been perfect for him.

Number of youth team players promoted from Wigan reserves/academy into Wigan first team regulars under Martinez?

Well I don't know that many Wigan players, but McManaman springs instantly to mind. A lad who was deemed not good enough by us, developed into a player with a £15m valuation (ok, I accept he would not go for that) and tipped as a future England regular. I'm looking forward to seeing what he could do with the players that are deemed good enough for us.
 
Well I don't know that many Wigan players, but McManaman springs instantly to mind. A lad who was deemed not good enough by us, developed into a player with a £15m valuation (ok, I accept he would not go for that) and tipped as a future England regular. I'm looking forward to seeing what he could do with the players that are deemed good enough for us.

My problem with McManaman is he didn't start league games for wigan until april of this year, and I don't think anyone would argue he wasn't ready before that.

I mean he hadn't started a single league game at the time of the 3-0 vs us and it's not the first teamers were pulling up trees in the league. Maybe if Martinez had been bolder and played him more often they would have stayed up.
 
My problem with McManaman is he didn't start league games for wigan until april of this year, and I don't think anyone would argue he wasn't ready before that.

I mean he hadn't started a single league game at the time of the 3-0 vs us and it's not the first teamers were pulling up trees in the league. Maybe if Martinez had been bolder and played him more often they would have stayed up.

Didn't Martinez say that McManaman had some sort of anxiety issue though? If they told him he was playing the day before a match, he'd work himself into a panic, so they had to work on the mental aspect of his personality before he was ready to start first team games.
 
Didn't Martinez say that McManaman had some sort of anxiety issue though? If they told him he was playing the day before a match, he'd work himself into a panic, so they had to work on the mental aspect of his personality before he was ready to start first team games.

I think most managers will usually find some issue not to play a youth teamer ahead of a first teamer. First teamers make more money so a manager will find himself pressured to play them to "justify" their wages

Promoting from the youth team brings a fair amount of risk with it and I think a lot of managers just can be bothered with the hastle it causes
 
Maybe the people in here who are more familiar with english football can help me with this but I do not understand why Everton have a reserve / u-21 team. Why not send all young players on contract out on loan to lower clubs that play the type of football we would be looking to teach? These players would play in more competitive games that have fans, pressure and the chance to secure interests from other teams?
 
Maybe the people in here who are more familiar with english football can help me with this but I do not understand why Everton have a reserve / u-21 team. Why not send all young players on contract out on loan to lower clubs that play the type of football we would be looking to teach? These players would play in more competitive games that have fans, pressure and the chance to secure interests from other teams?

But then players who are in the first team squad but are coming back from injury would have no form of football to play in, to ease their way back in.

Your options would be solely the first teams or training.
 
Maybe the people in here who are more familiar with english football can help me with this but I do not understand why Everton have a reserve / u-21 team. Why not send all young players on contract out on loan to lower clubs that play the type of football we would be looking to teach? These players would play in more competitive games that have fans, pressure and the chance to secure interests from other teams?

Some do mate, and not just from us. That being said, cant think of one our youngsters being loaned out ATM. Trouble is, the loans are usually to lower league teams, that might not be able to look after the lad as well as a big club can, (schooling, coaching, general growing up really), and that kind of restricts the clubs that would be suitable to loan to.

Beckham was loaned to Preston, (I think), before he broke through at Utd for example.
 
That's a positive piece. Shame I don't believe a single word that comes out Elstone's mouth. I'll believe it when Bobby speaks about it and when it happens.

Coff Elstone
 
Maybe the people in here who are more familiar with english football can help me with this but I do not understand why Everton have a reserve / u-21 team. Why not send all young players on contract out on loan to lower clubs that play the type of football we would be looking to teach? These players would play in more competitive games that have fans, pressure and the chance to secure interests from other teams?

Clubs have a limit on how many loan players they are allowed, so sending the entire reserve team out would not be viable. We also like to get assurances about players that we send out. The standard of coaching, facilities, opposition and team mates all have an influence on a player's development. If these are below standard then it would be better to play in the u21s. Plus, if a loanee isn't played then it's all pointless.

A classic example was last season, Barkley was sent to Leeds. He should have excelled, but the team was coached by Neil Warnock. His playing style is to kick seven shades out of the opposition, whinge when decisions don't go your own way and forget about the technical aspects like skill and dribbling. As such, our man was left on the bench and barely played, despite being the best player in the team by a mile. He would have been better off staying with us.
 
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