Today’s Football 25/26 Season

[JLW]

That's what I mean, these guys are going to the screen to rewatch incidents and STILL getting it wrong.

Imagine how many things they'd get wrong if they didn't have the backup insurance of having another look.

So for me VAR isnt eradicating mistakes then its pointless, we shouldnt be contesting VAR decisions referees yes but not VAR.
We are though because of what they give one week to the next week, two different decisions for the same foul.

The onlt technology we should use is the goal line technology, the rest scrapped for like being a toe offside.

 

[JLW]

I remember football before VAR and watch a fair bit of championship.

Im not convinced it reduces errors and even if did Iand by some margin I'd sooner leg it.

Its takes so much away from the game.

Football more than survived for over 100 years with tech!

We dont need it

 

[Nymzee]

So for me VAR isnt eradicating mistakes then its pointless, we shouldnt be contesting VAR decisions referees yes but not VAR.
We are though because of what they give one week to the next week, two different decisions for the same foul.

The onlt technology we should use is the goal line technology, the rest scrapped for like being a toe offside.

I'd keep goal-line, and probs the semi-automated offsides if they keep improving the technology, the rest can get in the bin.

 

[Alan Whittle]

It wasn't me alleging bias/favouritism. That was you.

Football is opinions. Mine, and others are it was a pen. Others, like you as a Crystal Palace fan didn't think so.

Suggesting bias/integrity is odd given that's your position.

Players can exaggerate/dive and it can still be a foul/penalty. The Ashey Young vs Man Utd is a good example.

Anyway, the ref give a pen. VAR looked at is and didn't think it was a mistake.

I merely said that bias exists, not that I wasn't guilty of it. I note that you haven't denied it but chose to focus on it rather than the incident of the penalty itself,
Henderson drops the ball ( for clarity, not in itself a foul) he retrieves the ball, whilst doing so, the attacking player instigates contact ( barely) and goes over
That is what you think is a penalty.
Not all contact in the box is a penalty. Nor should it be.

 

[Mickey]

Wonder will utd roll over like we did?.

 

[JLW]

I'd keep goal-line, and probs the semi-automated offsides if they keep improving the technology, the rest can get in the bin.

What i would do about the ref situation is put all the refs around europe in different leagues, i think there is to much bias and history with refs and certain players and clubs.

All the refs around the 5 major leagues go into a pool and then get drawn out to what games in what country they officiate.

 

[Rita_Poon]

var is a problem because the PL is like WCW wrestling, the rs/man utd concede and var is used to find a foul to disallow. similarly, any push, pull and hint of handball and it's active in giving them the penalty.

because there is a tv record of this there will come a moment where empirical evidence via montage will soon be possible to confront the fa with.

play the two hand balls against us earlier in season vs the west ham one.

play the allan red card vs the elliot anderson not even a foul given the other day.

when the authorities cite 'interpretation' as their get out of jail, then the need for var is killed as interpretation in game without replays applies the same rigour.

bureaucracy for bureaucracies sake, and a few more jobs for the boys (poll, clattenburg, collina, thomas etc)

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I merely said that bias exists, not that I wasn't guilty of it. I note that you haven't denied it but chose to focus on it rather than the incident of the penalty itself,
Henderson drops the ball ( for clarity, not in itself a foul) he retrieves the ball, whilst doing so, the attacking player instigates contact ( barely) and goes over
That is what you think is a penalty.
Not all contact in the box is a penalty. Nor should it be.

Of course bias exists.

But you're a Crystal Palace fan lamenting a decision against Crystal Palace.

I'm a neutral, who'd rather Palace won in Everton's chase for Europe.

For you to bring bias in with "If it was Everton you'd have a different view' is odd, given you're a Palace fan talking about a decision against Palace.

Your 'keeper fumbled a simple catch and in trying to recover, made contact with an attacker trying to take the ball from the 'keepers mistake. Yes, he dived/exagerated the contact but the contact was there, and enough IMO to impede/cause a penalty. Keepers are overprotected.

I remember football before VAR and watch a fair bit of championship.

Im not convinced it reduces errors and even if did Iand by some margin I'd sooner leg it.

Its takes so much away from the game.

I never said this.

??? Eh?

To recap;

I don't think people realise how monumentally crap officials are these days if we scrapped VAR

I can accept mistakes for what VAR takes away.

Nah the level of mistakes every week would be unreal. The standard of officiating, now that they all get outside/digital help, is extremely bad. They've been slacking off ever since it came in.

It's like using AI in your job for a few years and then suddenly having it banned.

That's what I mean, these guys are going to the screen to rewatch incidents and STILL getting it wrong.

Imagine how many things they'd get wrong if they didn't have the backup insurance of having another look.

I absolutely detest VAR, that's not the point I'm making, I just don't think people understand how bad it would be without it (until refs are trained up again).

If you're not saying VAR reduces errors, then how come you've made so many posts there saying there would be loads more mistakes/issues if it was no VAR?

 

[Nymzee]

What i would do about the ref situation is put all the refs around europe in different leagues, i think there is to much bias and history with refs and certain players and clubs.

All the refs around the 5 major leagues go into a pool and then get drawn out to what games in what country they officiate.

Yeh I think the only issue is refs often ref part-time don't they? So wouldn't likely want to have to relocate to a new country, or fly around every weekend, but I do think European refs are miles better than ours. VAR is much quicker too.

 

[carolinablue232]

I don't think people realise how monumentally crap officials are these days if we scrapped VAR

Var has helped to make them worse. They so heavily rely on it to get obvious things right.

 

[DanEFC92]

Just seen the pen decision. The refs just get worse and worse.

 

[Nymzee]

Of course bias exists.

But you're a Crystal Palace fan lamenting a decision against Crystal Palace.

I'm a neutral, who'd rather Palace won in Everton's chase for Europe.

For you to bring bias in with "If it was Everton you'd have a different view' is odd, given you're a Palace fan talking about a decision against Palace.






??? Eh?

To recap;











If you're not saying VAR reduces errors, then how come you've made so many posts there saying there would be loads more mistakes/issues if it was no VAR?

Because there flat out would be a crap load more errors without it, but it's not because I think VAR reduces anything by being good, VAR sucks, I just think the refs are horrendous and until they retrained we'd see a load of baffling errors for a while. We'd come out of it eventually but the teething issues of refs having to actual make final decisions would be rough.

As I have previously said: I don't want VAR.

 

[Nymzee]

Var has helped to make them worse. They so heavily rely on it to get obvious things right.

That's what I'm getting at. Take it away and they'll be like "holy crap I have to make a final decision on my own?"

They'd need retraining on how to be a referee.

 

[JLW]

Yeh I think the only issue is refs often ref part-time don't they? So wouldn't likely want to have to relocate to a new country, or fly around every weekend, but I do think European refs are miles better than ours. VAR is much quicker too.

Dont think so, they are all full time now, i maybe wrong though.

I know the refs go around clubs during the week and if they are building up relationships getting treated well, they are going to be 'favourable' of course they are.

 

[JLW]

Football more than survived for over 100 years with tech!

We dont need it

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