Today’s Football 25/26 Season

[Saint Domingo]

Really? It’s up there as one of the best ever. Distance, bend, had everything.

To beat that particular goalkeeper from that far out is some going.

Baines v Newcastle is better for me by some distance

 

[Ring master]

I probably did see it at the time, But i can't remember it at all

 

[maccavennie]

I probably did see it at the time, But i can't remember it at all

Is Arteta 6 years old there

 

[mahermi1]

Is Arteta 6 year sold there

There's less grey in Mikels hair today than there was then.

 

[Raino85]

I guess for me it’s that it’s a certain goal as haaland has outpaced szoboslai and is about to run it into an empty net

Szobaszli cheats and clearly denies what is going to be a goal

In retaliation haaland pulls him back

The ball ends up in the goal, and it’s hard to tell if the defender was going to catch the ball anyway

Just give the goal

What if that is in the first minute of the game?

Would you prefer the goal or prefer Liverpool having to play against you for over 90 minutes with 10 men?
(Granted, it would be mental that Allison had gone up for a corner in the first minute of the game...............infact, make it mandatory that goalies have to go up for every corner)

 

[Marius57]

What if that is in the first minute of the game?

Would you prefer the goal or prefer Liverpool having to play against you for over 90 minutes with 10 men?
(Granted, it would be mental that Allison had gone up for a corner in the first minute of the game...............infact, make it mandatory that goalies have to go up for every corner)

I’d prefer Liverpool to lose and be without one of their better performers for an entire game. Which is what happened.

City would have preferred the goal of course as they need it for their gd. But the outcome of the game is the same but Liverpool now are weakened next game (which is correct under the rules of the game).

 

[Vaughan]

No I get it from a sort of natural justice perspective, it’s just that that isn’t how the game works. I think there’s an argument that there should be an equivalent to a penalty try in football, so deliberately cynical acts like that one get punished with a goal, but the fact is there isn’t so you can’t really just referee the game as if there is. Like I said, what happens is basically the same as if haaland had punched the ball into the net after being given the advantage, I just don’t see how there’s any genuine debate, you can’t allow a goal where a player has blatantly deliberately fouled an opponent to prevent them from clearing the ball (and he was clearly getting there let’s be honest). I hate VAR but it’s funny that the one decision that’s got people freaking out about it is one that’s 100% the right call.

i agree with you in that there should be a more severe penalty for a cynical foul (conversely i don’t think every foul or handball committed inside the box necessarily is bad enough a sin to result in a penalty) but i guess what happened here is the ball ended up in the net. so just leave it at that. sbozolsai wasnt getting there

 

[mahermi1]

What if that is in the first minute of the game?

Would you prefer the goal or prefer Liverpool having to play against you for over 90 minutes with 10 men?
(Granted, it would be mental that Allison had gone up for a corner in the first minute of the game...............infact, make it mandatory that goalies have to go up for every corner)

What would be the reaction if that game was poised at 1-1 and that decision was given, no goal, red card, 1 game suspension and the game finished a draw ? A point well earned, worth the red card after all it's only one game he'd miss. Sorry var has over refereed that totally in my view. The goal should have stood, yellow card for Slob after all he hasn't stopped a goalscoring opportunity the goal stands. Liverpool lose deservedly 1-3 and drop down to seventh.

 

[Lanolin]

i agree with you in that there should be a more severe penalty for a cynical foul (conversely i don’t think every foul or handball committed inside the box necessarily is bad enough a sin to result in a penalty) but i guess what happened here is the ball ended up in the net. so just leave it at that. sbozolsai wasnt getting there

I just can't agree in terms of what actually happened. People say they want consistency but then seem to just pivot completely and say if something fun happens just forget the actual laws and go with the fun thing, which obviously means you're never going to have consistency. Basically if Bournemouth get in behind tomorrow and Branthwaite tugs Kroupi back as he runs through on goal, are we advocating for Evanilson to be allowed to push Pickford out of the way to ensure he scores, because the two fouls 'cancel eachother out'? If we are, I can only assume everyones completely lost their minds, if we're not then you don't really think the goal should stand yesterday either, because it's the same thing.

 

[Vaughan]

I just can't agree in terms of what actually happened. People say they want consistency but then seem to just pivot completely and say if something fun happens just forget the actual laws and go with the fun thing, which obviously means you're never going to have consistency. Basically if Bournemouth get in behind tomorrow and Branthwaite tugs Kroupi back as he runs through on goal, are we advocating for Evanilson to be allowed to push Pickford out of the way to ensure he scores, because the two fouls 'cancel eachother out'? If we are, I can only assume everyones completely lost their minds, if we're not then you don't really think the goal should stand yesterday either, because it's the same thing.

thats not the same situation, he still has to beat pickford which as we know is no certainty

haaland was in behind with an empty net and a straight line to goal, he had outpaced the last liverpool defender and unless he pulled a muscle he was going to walk the ball into the net

the ball then ended up in the net

goal should have stood

 

[Vaughan]

I think also what rankles for many is the injustice, the defender makes no attempt to play the ball and as a result the goal is denied

We can say now that it may be the worst outcome as he misses next game

But if that was 1-1 it would be so unfair that city were denied a 99% chance of a goal

 

[Lanolin]

thats not the same situation, he still has to beat pickford which as we know is no certainty

haaland was in behind with an empty net and a straight line to goal, he had outpaced the last liverpool defender and unless he pulled a muscle he was going to walk the ball into the net

the ball then ended up in the net

goal should have stood

But it is the same thing in terms of the laws of the game, that's the point. It's not exactly the same thing, but allowing one means you have to allow the other. Either the advantage phase gives you carte blanche to break the rules yourself to even things up or it doesn't, otherwise where do you draw the line? If it had all been part of the same passage of play and just a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other, or if Haaland had gone down from the initial foul and 'accidentally on purpose' taken Szoboszlai out then I'd agree with you, but they're two distinct incidents. Szoboszlai commits a foul, the ref rightly plays advantage to see if Haaland can score but instead he commits his own foul which directly leads to the ball going into the net. I honestly just don't understand the furore at all, I can get how in the moment you might just be like ah let it stand who cares, but once you've had literally a second to think about it I just don't see how there's any argument at all with what happened, it's clearly the correct decision.

 

[mahermi1]

Var should be cancelled is an understatement, it should never have happened, for me it's taken so much joy out of a game that the absolute goal of the game is a goal, now you are fearful of even celebrating that goal, you're just waiting for var to allow/ disallow it.

 

[Tommy Chong]

Var should be cancelled is an understatement, it should never have happened, for me it's taken so much joy out of a game that the absolute goal of the game is a goal, now you are fearful of even celebrating that goal, you're just waiting for var to allow/ disallow it.

Agreed mate…
Imagine if VAR had been around when Aguero scored that winning goal late into stoppage time on the last day of the season to win the title for city?!?

When he almost jumped into the crowd to celebrate?! Now imagine if VAR had stopped that so that the pair of tits in the VAR booth could pull out their rulers, and protractors to check if there had been an infringement or something?!

That would have sucked all the life out of the celebration in that moment.

 

[NathDogg]

But it is the same thing in terms of the laws of the game, that's the point. It's not exactly the same thing, but allowing one means you have to allow the other. Either the advantage phase gives you carte blanche to break the rules yourself to even things up or it doesn't, otherwise where do you draw the line? If it had all been part of the same passage of play and just a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other, or if Haaland had gone down from the initial foul and 'accidentally on purpose' taken Szoboszlai out then I'd agree with you, but they're two distinct incidents. Szoboszlai commits a foul, the ref rightly plays advantage to see if Haaland can score but instead he commits his own foul which directly leads to the ball going into the net. I honestly just don't understand the furore at all, I can get how in the moment you might just be like ah let it stand who cares, but once you've had literally a second to think about it I just don't see how there's any argument at all with what happened, it's clearly the correct decision.

it’s technicalities though mate.

Would anyone have been concerned if the goal was given, and no red card, because technically even after fouling haaland, the goal was scored.

The on field ref had given the goal and wasn’t doing anything else either - that’s where it should have been left, but VAR had to stick their nose in.

The ref could have gave the goal and just booked scrabblsly and haaland for their respective fouls, all good, we get on with var free life.

VAR is a pox on the game, or the way VAR has been implemented and used is, even if technically the decision to disallow the goal and send off the rs was “correct” as you say.