But the players likely don’t have a choice in all this outside of whether to kneel or not. Think you’re letting your obvious hatred of BLM clouding a quite simple incident.
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But the players likely don’t have a choice in all this outside of whether to kneel or not. Think you’re letting your obvious hatred of BLM clouding a quite simple incident.
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Which is where this will all go now.
Like you say. That's not progressive. It teeters into fascism which, you know, is not what judgemental folks on twitter like.
If you clap for frontline workers, you're still supporting the NHS. As the overarching point of clapping was support the NHS.
It'd be anarchy if you could pick and choose what parts you liked and dilute it to pointlessness. "I'll clap but only for Irene who works at Fazakerley, I hate the rest of them so don't take this as supporting the rest!"
Anyone seeing you clap would think "they're applauding the NHS", end of story.
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You have Tubey, and as usual the point has sailed miles over your head. BLM cannot be "an organization" if there are multiple organizations, groups and movements using that as a name.
I'd have thought this was obvious, but then again I thought noone would ever be daft enough to point to a joke (about the multiplication of left wing movements that were so self-obsessed about difference that they literally killed each other) as evidence that is no difference.
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They had to remove their core tenants of their demands section since they got called out for it (ie abolish the police, abolish capitalism, abolish the nuclear family etc etc).
BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT
Black Lives Matter is an international human rights movement - Black Lives Matter Movement UK is for revolutionary change. We believe racism transcends politics. Our campaigns are against anti-black violence and systemic racism towards Black people of African descent and heritage.blacklivesmatter.uk
No offence, but if you can't be bothered to google the organisation you're taking about, why are you taking about them?
that site literally says:
We are a non-political, non-partisan, non-violence platform. Some content published on our website may have limited political content by the very nature of a country state governed and under a system of democracy. We operate in a humanitarian capacity and concern before all else.
We are not operating as a member of nor connected with any political party.
So thats the "they are forming a political party" proved wrong. Now wheres the manifesto?
Given that what they're kneeing for IS BLM. They have a choice. They could do something different. Or speak up and distance themselves from it. Or just clarify that they want to do something for racial equality in general.
They support BLM. Fine, then I don't support them.
So Black Lives Matter are wrong about Black Lives Matter, because Black Lives Matter are not Black Lives Matter.
Got it.
When I was clapping in my mind I was paying tribute to all those nurses, doctors and everyone else on the frontline whether it be a lorry driver keeping the shelves stocked, the people working in the supermarkets, literally everyone on the frontline.
Yes but the point is what goes on in someone’s head and why they choose to kneel/clap should be taken into consideration.
At the end of the day booing kneeling players, even if solely in opposition of BLM as an org, will always come across that you’re opposing the message itself. Always.
tsubaki
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Well you haven't, and to be honest I'd have thought @DOMNOLAN coming up with a second organization that even you acknowledge isn't the same as the BLM organization you cited would have told you that BLM isn't "an organization", but here we are.
By all means continue to pretend that they are all the same, even when they clearly state they aren't.
Exactly. So you weren’t necessarily clapping the NHS even if it looks that way to your neighbours.
I mean I don’t know how many people hate the NHS but know some do.
Maybe I wasn't clear in my point about the political party. They may not be the same group, but the point is that it's a political party. Shall we kneel every game for Boris?
They can be contradictory in what they say. They had to remove from that site, their goals to 'dismantle western civilisation', 'abolish the police', and 'dismantle capitalist society'. Their actions are load also speak loader than their platitudes.
If the tories said, we're for the working class, would you suddenly believe them because it was on their website, or would you instead look at what they do?
tsubaki
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right - you do know that we can go back and see what was on that site via the wayback machine, don't you?
"I support Black Lives Matter!"
"Which one?"
"What?"
"Well, which one? The one that wears odd socks on Tuesdays, the one that doesn't believe in Joan Collins or..."
"The one that opposes racism!"
"Ohhh that'll be Black Lives Matter 273!"
"OK..."
"Unless you mean Black Lives Matter 211 - it depends on exactly how much they oppose racism you see."
"Oh nevermind!"
I'm taking the piss because I have to, otherwise I really would have to take you seriously and believe you honestly think that because they call themselves different organisations they don't, in fact, all share the same central premise and are therefore, for all practical purposes, the exact same thing.
Yeah mate I wasn't thinking this is for you the NHS, even a lot of the neighbours around us were saying they were clapping for all those on the frontline
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