Tim Howard

Foot Long Hot Dog · January 24, 2016

ilikecheese said:
Sorry Dave...I generally agree with you, but nobody is saving that second one. He had the shot covered until it was deflected.

It went into the net at waist height. He was virtually sat on his arse when it went past him.

He's a crap keeper and the first was unforgivable

Still · January 24, 2016

MartSlinger said:
Question; That second goal, why the hell is he so low down? Thats not the first time we conceded a deflected goal with it flying over his head.

Its partly due to his starting position when he's facing shots from the edge of the box. It was the same at Chelsea last week; he's crumpling onto his knees about 8 yards off his line. Good quality keepers don't stand there.

As for the first goal, I apportion blame as Stones being arrogant and not doing the right thing, but then Howard dealing with the situation 100% wrongly. So not 50/50 more 100 then another 100. Someone with a brain does not stand still, and even step back to wait for it, and then go for the giant swing. Could have just poked it out for a corner with ease.

MikeH72 · January 24, 2016

mlyons said:
Of course Howard gets blamed for that. Stones completely sold him short, but obviously it's Howard's fault.

Oh shut up

ilikecheese · January 24, 2016

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
It went into the net at waist height. He was virtually sat on his arse when it went past him.

He's a crap keeper and the first was unforgivable

Yes the first was unforgivable for Stones.

He was covering the initial shot on the second...it deflected over him.

sageyefc · January 24, 2016

carolinablue232 said:
We take too many chances at the back plain and simple. Stones is a culprit more than most. Doubt Howard expected to have to deal with something like that. Even if he plays it perfectly, he BARELY gets there before Ayew. No need to risk anything like that.

He shoulve expected it seeing as he had the entire ground screaming man on

Chang Elephant · January 24, 2016

carolinablue232 said:
Doubt Howard expected to have to deal with something like that

Agreed, doubt Howard was even thinking about the match looking at his lack of reaction. Most likely recalling a busy night before playing with his 3 incher in front of the mirror.

atrottel · January 24, 2016

Tbh, the problem with both Stones and Howard is misplaced arrogance.

carolinablue232 · January 24, 2016

BlueToff said:
It is the wrong thing to do, but Howard should be shouting (he doesn't even make a call mate!) and then he should be reacting to cover for Stones' error.

That's what he's in the team to do, supposedly

It's fine to say, but the goal is down to Stones error more than anything. Anyone impartial to Everton has said the same. Drop Stones for a few games. Drop Howard for everyone's mental health (including Howards), and let's get on with it. I like Martinez, but his philosophy drives me crazy at times.

Hong Kong Phooey · January 24, 2016

TomDixie · January 24, 2016

Awful pass from Stones.

However, Howard should have dealt with that. He just watched the ball coming towards him and then, when it's too late, reacts with a huge swipe with his foot. Awful.

MikeH72 · January 24, 2016

What is he doing? Terrible from Stones but why does it take this absolute waster 5 seconds to react when he's actually looking at the ball the whole time? He's a disease

MartSlinger · January 24, 2016

We can and we will blame Stones for that back pass but good Keepers bail out defenders. Cech, Courtois, De Gea and Lloris all help their defenders and make sure their mistakes aren't costly, ours makes their mistakes look even worse the absolute cretin.

BlueToff · January 24, 2016

carolinablue232 said:
It's fine to say, but the goal is down to Stones error more than anything. Anyone impartial to Everton has said the same. Drop Stones for a few games. Drop Howard for everyone's mental health (including Howards), and let's get on with it. I like Martinez, but his philosophy drives me crazy at times.

I agree - as I've said, it's mainly Stones' error, but that error comes as a result of Howard offering no option after Stones' initial error of not getting it clear.

carolinablue232 · January 24, 2016

sageyefc said:
He shoulve expected it seeing as he had the entire ground screaming man on

An indication, that silly ball should have never been played perhaps? It's easy to blame Howard for every goal, but that's at least 90% on Stones for being boneheaded. Drop them both for a few matches.