Current Affairs The Would Be Emperor Has No Clothes (aka POTUS 47)

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The Democratic Party will always be a capitalist party, but they need to reconnect with what they were in terms of regulation of capitalism as well as the advance of social justice.

I think you've become hung up on labels there. If I'd meant the Democrats morphing into the Social Democratic Party of America I'd have said so.
America has never, ever, been a socialist country.

I would say maybe the brief period post Depression and then a little bit post WW2, but in general it's not something that inspires the electorate.

Social justice is not socialism or social democracy. It is part of it but there is a lot more that comes with it.

If you think in hung up on labels then you clearly don't have any understanding of how this would play out in the US. It's all about labels mate.

Facts don't matter any longer.
 
America has never, ever, been a socialist country.

I would say maybe the brief period post Depression and then a little bit post WW2, but in general it's not something that inspires the electorate.

Social justice is not socialism or social democracy. It is part of it but there is a lot more that comes with it.

If you think in hung up on labels then you clearly don't have any understanding of how this would play out in the US. It's all about labels mate.

Facts don't matter any longer.

You're setting up a straw man here.

Stand down.
 
Apply in Germany, France or another country en route...

...if theyre genuinely in fear for their life.

Could you imagine being in genuine fear and wanting to claim asylum in a safe place...but instead forget that and decide to take a life risking ordeal by paying criminals to put you in a packed dinghy.

I cant relate to someone in fear for their life....not taking the asylum option somewhere and instead risking their life.

Nonsensical.
You can't relate to people at the best of times so 🤷
 
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As @Noisy noise annoys has helped you out with some answers like family & friends let’s see about this bit.

Do you see the flaw in this proposal? Think about it just at a basic geographical level for a second.

You also seem to think all refugees still feel in immediate danger having left their country rather than the reality that they felt in danger while there & don’t want to return to that situation.

Telling me an anti-semite terror supporter has "helped me out" -- especially when ive had them on ignore for months -- doesnt seem logical.

If youre alluding to someone either

A: Being in fear for their life - they would claim asylum in their nearest safe haven.

B: Choosing to take an arduous journey without fear for their life, then they have options.


Neither A nor B have any logical reason to risk a channel crossing in a dinghy for health, well being or suchlike. They are risking their lives because they are in fear for their life or want to see friends/relatives lol

Want to see friends/relatives then apply for a visa.

You're a tit. An ignorant tit.

You're someone with no conviction in their argument. A freeloader with their only goal to prioritise criminals over legal actions.

Update me when you try this in China or Iran...

You can't relate to people at the best of times so 🤷

Cant relate to ignorant stupid selfish racists no.
 
Telling me an anti-semite terror supporter has "helped me out" -- especially when ive had them on ignore for months -- doesnt seem logical.

If youre alluding to someone either

A: Being in fear for their life - they would claim asylum in their nearest safe haven.

B: Choosing to take an arduous journey without fear for their life, then they have options.


Neither A nor B have any logical reason to risk a channel crossing in a dinghy for health, well being or suchlike. They are risking their lives because they are in fear for their life or want to see friends/relatives lol

Want to see friends/relatives then apply for a visa.



You're someone with no conviction in their argument. A freeloader with their only goal to prioritise criminals over legal actions.

Update me when you try this in China or Iran...



Cant relate to ignorant stupid selfish racists no.
Pipe down bellend, go and take your face for a sh!t.
 
Telling me an anti-semite terror supporter has "helped me out" -- especially when ive had them on ignore for months -- doesnt seem logical.

If youre alluding to someone either

A: Being in fear for their life - they would claim asylum in their nearest safe haven.

B: Choosing to take an arduous journey without fear for their life, then they have options.


Neither A nor B have any logical reason to risk a channel crossing in a dinghy for health, well being or suchlike. They are risking their lives because they are in fear for their life or want to see friends/relatives lol

Want to see friends/relatives then apply for a visa.



You're someone with no conviction in their argument. A freeloader with their only goal to prioritise criminals over legal actions.

Update me when you try this in China or Iran...



Cant relate to ignorant stupid selfish racists no.
This took 5 seconds to find https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/understanding-channel-crossings/

A super brain like you "could" have done that research himself, but you choose to wallow in your prejudice and ignorance instead.
Everyone agrees that the issue of Channel crossings, with the dangerous and sometimes fatal journeys that they entail, needs to be addressed. But as the government turns to rhetoric and bluster and promises to “stop small boats”, misconceptions about why refugees are risking their lives to cross the Channel are born and reinforced. Many have been left wondering why refugees leave “safe” countries, such as France, to seek protection in the UK instead.

It’s important to first acknowledge the global context, which is that the vast majority of refugees – 72% – live in a neighbouring country to the one they have fled. Other European countries including France receive many more asylum applications than the UK. The people who do come to the UK to claim asylum represent a tiny proportion of refugees globally. Here are some of the factors that lead to them seeking protection here.

  • Family and community. Seeking out family and community is a human impulse, and it is only natural for refugees to want to be reunited with their loved ones. With the UK’s restricted pathways to family reunion, however, refugee families torn apart by war are forced to face indefinite separation or make the desperate choice to risk their lives to be reunited.
  • What is safe? A country that you consider “safe” may not feel safe to every individual. Refugees may have had bad experiences in a country that make them feel unsafe or unwelcome. Or they may have had difficulties accessing that country’s asylum system. Poor living conditions and lack of food, shelter and healthcare are also factors that push people to take even greater risks in their journey to safety.
One refugee, Veritasy, told us that he did not feel safe in France: “The police are very cruel…So from Calais we were thinking about moving to another safe place.” For some, crossing the Channel feels like their only hope; the only way for the nightmare to finally end: “It was psychologically not a logical decision, but I had no other choice. Either way I’ll die; either at sea, in France or by going back to Syria. That’s how I found myself in a boat going to England.”

  • Language and familiarity. Refugees are forced to leave everything behind as they flee their homes; their only hope being the chance to rebuild their lives in a foreign country. Familiarity with some of the culture and language of the UK can at least make this process a little easier and allow refugees to feel more safe and at ease in a difficult and challenging situation. Familiarity may also come from historical links between the UK and a refugee’s country or from the UK’s reputation internationally as a safe and democratic country.
Farzad, who came to the UK from Iran, explained that language was an important reason for wanting to come to the UK: “I knew English before I came. My priority was the UK. I was in France for a while, but the language was a problem for me, I have studied English back in my country, I thought at my age, I’m 45, to start learning a language would take me a while.”

  • Element of choice. Not all refugees get to choose the destination of their journey. People smugglers may dictate where refugees go and may even provide refugees with false information about how dangerous the journey across the Channel actually is.
The bottom line is that there is a myriad of reasons why someone might be willing to risk their lives in search for safety in the UK. And the reality is that most refugees do not travel through multiple safe countries in search for a new home. Nor do most of them end up in the UK. In fact, the majorityOpens in a new window of refugees are hosted in countries that neighbour their countries of origin. Those who do take great risks to come to the UK do so because there is no better alternative – they are men, women and children fleeing war and oppression. The real problem is that we are not offering them safe routes to take to make a claim for asylum.
 
Telling me an anti-semite terror supporter has "helped me out" -- especially when ive had them on ignore for months -- doesnt seem logical.

If youre alluding to someone either

A: Being in fear for their life - they would claim asylum in their nearest safe haven.

B: Choosing to take an arduous journey without fear for their life, then they have options.


Neither A nor B have any logical reason to risk a channel crossing in a dinghy for health, well being or suchlike. They are risking their lives because they are in fear for their life or want to see friends/relatives lol

Want to see friends/relatives then apply for a visa.



You're someone with no conviction in their argument. A freeloader with their only goal to prioritise criminals over legal actions.

Update me when you try this in China or Iran...



Cant relate to ignorant stupid selfish racists no.
Racist fool
 
This took 5 seconds to find https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/understanding-channel-crossings/

A super brain like you "could" have done that research himself, but you choose to wallow in your prejudice and ignorance instead.
Part of the reason why waiting times at hospitals in the UK are so long are down to asylum seekers such as this. We must get in our specific part of the hospital at least 5-10 people a day who come for appointments who don't speak English, or understand it. So the language aspect is nonsense from your information. That isn't factoring in every other part of the hospital, not 10 in each one but as an example of how many people without a basic understanding of the language arrive for appointments. Plus the cost that goes with that, paying interpreters which thankfully can be offset in some (not all) cases via telephone which is cheaper.

I know from reading your previous posts about this subject you will be quite dimissive of the above so to be honest it isn't worth us discussing it at polar opposite ends of the topic. I just wanted to mention one aspect of the information you shared that, has a detrimental impact on the country and isn't true.
 
Part of the reason why waiting times at hospitals in the UK are so long are down to asylum seekers such as this. We must get in our specific part of the hospital at least 5-10 people a day who come for appointments who don't speak English, or understand it. So the language aspect is nonsense from your information. That isn't factoring in every other part of the hospital, not 10 in each one but as an example of how many people without a basic understanding of the language arrive for appointments. Plus the cost that goes with that, paying interpreters which thankfully can be offset in some (not all) cases via telephone which is cheaper.

I know from reading your previous posts about this subject you will be quite dimissive of the above so to be honest it isn't worth us discussing it at polar opposite ends of the topic. I just wanted to mention one aspect of the information you shared that, has a detrimental impact on the country and isn't true.
There are very few people where I Iive that don't speak any English and the waiting time in the hospital is still hours and hours.
 
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