Current Affairs The Would Be Emperor Has No Clothes (aka POTUS 47)

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Erm it's not a football match

Whats the correlation?

If you're illegally in the US you aren't really in a position to be complaining about the threat of being kicked out, are you*?

That having been said...

There will be people that have illegally entered in recent years, and people that entered illegally decades ago, so it's a topic that needs to be handed sensitively and sensibly by those in charge.

*There will be victims of human trafficking that had no say in their illegal entry to the country, and children of parents who entered illegally that obviously also had no say in the matter.

**There will also be people that fled natural disasters.

I generally don't see how rewarding parents for their law-breaking is the right path to go down. Unless their parents have been significant contributors to their community for a significant period of time, the family shouldn't be allowed to jump the immigration queue just because they felt like the law didn't apply to them.

Regards people that entered a long time ago, they will clearly have deep ties to their areas and will undoubtedly have contributed a lot. I'm sure some kind of amnesty could be drawn up for this group of people.

A vast majority of these people undertook journeys of thousands of miles to enter the US. They clearly passed through multiple safe countries on the way, countries that in a majority of cases would have been much easier for them to settle in due to their background and language.

Just like in the UK, most of those that enter illegally chose to go through Turkey, Greece, Hungary, Germany, Italy, France etc. as they fancied living in the UK instead. You can't be allowed to pick and choose which country you illegally settle in as the numerous safe countries you pass through aren't deemed good enough for you.

I'm keeping a keen eye on development in this as it's a very complex topic and Trump has made some very big promises - some that I don't think he'll be able to stick to in as timely a manner as he's suggesting.

*exceptions noted here.
**potential exceptions here.

Precisely.
 
Precisely.
Your multi quoting ways have managed to really highlight something this time Zat.

It’s exposed the very surface level of actual thinking that you’ve put into the subject.

The post has some truth in it, although I seriously doubt the Trump administration will handle anything competently.

With the likes of Miller & Homan in charge humanitarian treatment of people doesn’t seem like it’s going to be high up the priority list. But if you believe otherwise, despite their own words on the subject, then we’ll just have to see.

But the original poster then also includes this section that you also feel sums things up “Precisely”?

“Just like in the UK, most of those that enter illegally chose to go through Turkey, Greece, Hungary, Germany, Italy, France etc. as they fancied living in the UK instead. You can't be allowed to pick and choose which country you illegally settle in as the numerous safe countries you pass through aren't deemed good enough for you.”

Do you see the problem with that part? Can you think of a few legitimate reasons why someone might choose a particular country that go a bit deeper than they “fancy it” or does someone have to help you with the whole empathy thing?
 
Your multi quoting ways have managed to really highlight something this time Zat.

It’s exposed the very surface level of actual thinking that you’ve put into the subject.

The post has some truth in it, although I seriously doubt the Trump administration will handle anything competently.

With the likes of Miller & Homan in charge humanitarian treatment of people doesn’t seem like it’s going to be high up the priority list. But if you believe otherwise, despite their own words on the subject, then we’ll just have to see.

But the original poster then also includes this section that you also feel sums things up “Precisely”?

“Just like in the UK, most of those that enter illegally chose to go through Turkey, Greece, Hungary, Germany, Italy, France etc. as they fancied living in the UK instead. You can't be allowed to pick and choose which country you illegally settle in as the numerous safe countries you pass through aren't deemed good enough for you.”

Do you see the problem with that part? Can you think of a few legitimate reasons why someone might choose a particular country that go a bit deeper than they “fancy it” or does someone have to help you with the whole empathy thing?

If someone is entering a country without any documents and claiming they are 'threatened' after passing through other friendly countries...what is the empathy that should be shown to them?

Surely they should be using documents to apply for a visa and if they have none and are genuinely in fear would claim asylum quickly elsewhere?
 
IN THE FINAL weeks of his campaign, speaking to a “town hall” hosted by Univision, a Spanish-language television network, Donald Trump made a point he doesn’t make very often. Asked about the need for immigrant workers, he replied: “We want workers, and we want them to come in.” The problem, he said, was illegal immigration. “I want them in even more than you do,” he said. “And we’re going to make it so that people can come into our country legally.”

Is it a promise he can make good on? Some in Mr Trump’s camp hope so. In September Elon Musk, a South African-born American whose firms employ many foreign engineers, posted on his website X that “the legal immigration process in America needs to be greatly streamlined and expanded.” Yet immigration lawyers fear the opposite. They report they have already had a flood of calls from nervous visa-holders worrying about what it means for their ability to stay in America. One reason why is that on November 11th the president-elect announced his intention to appoint Stephen Miller, one of his long-standing advisers, to be his deputy chief of policy. Mr Miller says that America should be “for Americans only”.


In his 2016 campaign Mr Trump promised to create a “big beautiful door” for legal immigration. But in fact, his administration—largely under the direction of Mr Miller, who served in a similar role then—quietly ground sand in the gears of the machine that issues visas and work permits. “They created an invisible wall,” says Dimo Michailov, a prominent immigration lawyer based in Washington, DC. Denial rates for key work visas, such as the H1B (which allows foreigners with degrees or equivalent specialist skills to take jobs in America) and the L1 (which allows multinational companies to post workers to America) rose. So too did “requests for evidence”, where applicants are required to provide lengthy documentation to prove they qualify.

From 2016 to 2019, average wait times rose by 46%, according to analysis by the American Immigration Lawyers Association, an industry group. It was “more red tape, more paperwork, more interviews”, says Julia Gelatt of the Migration Policy Institute, a think-tank. Total legal immigration did not in fact fall much until the pandemic, she notes—lawyers worked out how to navigate the new rules and the total number of work visas issued plateaued. But it got costlier and slower.

Under Joe Biden, the government has slowly ungummed the system. It has, for example, lessened scrutiny for visa renewals, instead of treating them like new applications, and waived the requirement for interviews in many cases. These sorts of policies seem likely to be undone. “I kind of have a presumption that anything the Biden administration did they’ll try to rip out every little vestige of,” says David Bier, of the Cato Institute, a libertarian think-tank. That could mean, for example, the spouses of H1B-holders being denied the right to work entirely, and those of L1-holders being made to apply for work permits. Graduates of American universities, who currently get to work in America for up to three years, depending on their degree, may see that right curtailed. More people converting to green cards (permanent residency) either from work visas or through family ties could be required to be interviewed.


The immigrants with the most to fear are Indians and Chinese nationals. Since 1991 there has been a cap on the number of employment-based green cards that can be issued to citizens of any one country. Indians and Chinese disproportionately arrive in America by studying at American universities and then taking jobs on graduation, but thanks to the cap only a vanishingly small share can hope to ever get permanent residency. Instead many stay stuck on nominally temporary visas even as they build lives. Should someone with an H1B lose their job, they have just 60 days to find a new qualifying one before having to leave the country (a grace period Mr Trump could cut). Having a child who is an American citizen offers no protection to a parent, and their non-American children lose their right to stay when they become adults. Longer waits and tighter renewals could force many such long-term residents to leave.

Jules, a Chinese-born corporate lawyer who has lived in America since arriving as an exchange student at high school, says that during the last Trump administration one of her visa renewals was delayed for two years. She was able to carry on working but she could not travel abroad while she waited for a decision. “It’s been so traumatic, I am kind of numb about it,” she says. With Mr Trump’s re-election, she is looking at whether she might be able to get permanent residency elsewhere. For her and others, America was first, but Canada or Australia may be second.

Maybe the government efficiency man will stop the government making people's lives miserable?
 
You’ve misunderstood @Zatara.
The question was can you think of legitimate reasons an asylum seeker might move through other safe countries to reach a particular one?

Can you put yourself in that position enough to think of a few reasons you could have?

No idea. In fear for my life id be delighted to find a safe haven.

If my motives were other than that then thats a different story.

That we follow a team in politics, most people opposing Trump are due to his ridiculous policies and the fact he is a nasty piece of work work, I could care less about the democrats

Well former democrat Trump (and his team of former democrats) has a massive ego.

People with massive ego's typically dont want to fail.

If his goal is MAGA then the more evil or capitalist a leader is that works for the benefit of the US...the better.

I suspect thats what the majority see.
 
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