Current Affairs The worst post-war Prime Minister

The worst post-war PM is...

  • Clement Attlee

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Winston Churchill

    Votes: 5 4.8%
  • Anthony Eden

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • Harold Macmillan

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Alec Douglas-Home

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Harold Wilson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Edward Heath

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • James Callaghan

    Votes: 3 2.9%
  • Margaret Thatcher

    Votes: 32 30.5%
  • John Major

    Votes: 3 2.9%
  • Tony Blair

    Votes: 11 10.5%
  • Gordon Brown

    Votes: 5 4.8%
  • David Cameron

    Votes: 23 21.9%
  • Theresa May

    Votes: 19 18.1%

  • Total voters
    105
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I did.

My auld fella had to take old Norman’s bike after Dunlop’s closed. I grew up with the mass unemployment and the deprivation and hopelessness it brought with it. I had a taste of 13% interest rates and then years of neg eq after the latest cycle of boom and bust that her hapless sidekick Lawson inflicted on us. I saw the new culture of greed and self absorption she brought to the City and beyond. I also had a glimpse of the bare faced and shameless way that her cronies filled their well heeled boots with the underselling of the nations assets.

I raised a glass the day she turned her toes up.

I think I remember Dunlop’s losing shed loads of money, unions running riot and industrial disputes being the norm. You seem to have forgotten that a strike blighted country, ‘the sick man of Europe’ was turned around by Maggie. Yes we had to put up with a lot, but she turned it around, and even pretending she didn’t is a betrayal of history......
 
Wasting your words, the kids on here hate Thatcher because they mostly haven’t a clue or have read something.

Or because they disagree with her neo-liberal values which have set the tone for every subsequent Government since.

Was she influential - yes, incredibly.
Does that mean she was good for the country - no.
 
Or because they disagree with her neo-liberal values which have set the tone for every subsequent Government since.

Was she influential - yes, incredibly.
Does that mean she was good for the country - no.

In what way was she not good for the country ?......what would you have today that we currently have not.....
 
I think I remember Dunlop’s losing shed loads of money, unions running riot and industrial disputes being the norm. You seem to have forgotten that a strike blighted country, ‘the sick man of Europe’ was turned around by Maggie. Yes we had to put up with a lot, but she turned it around, and even pretending she didn’t is a betrayal of history......
Dunlop’s took their investment to a whole host of countries including the USSR and Eastern bloc countries iirc, where they took advantage of vastly lower labour costs and could increase their margin.

Thatcher decimated British manufacturing and didn’t just bring the Unions back into line, she crushed them, manufacturing was merely ‘collateral damage’ in her quest.
 
Dunlop’s took their investment to a whole host of countries including the USSR and Eastern bloc countries iirc, where they took advantage of vastly lower labour costs and could increase their margin.

Thatcher decimated British manufacturing and didn’t just bring the Unions back into line, she crushed them, manufacturing was merely ‘collateral damage’ in her quest.

The unions destroyed much of manufacturing. As you say yourself, they took it away to other countries where unions didn’t really exist......
 
The unions destroyed much of manufacturing. As you say yourself, they took it away to other countries where unions didn’t really exist......
They took their investment to countries where their cost base was lower, got any evidence of notable strike action at that plant btw? The Govt stood by and watched, and didn’t lift a finger.

Ironic that her economic adviser has crawled back out from under his rock and is now the go to ‘expert’ for the likes of Ress Mogg, as he advocates a ‘no deal’ Brexit btw.
 
I think I remember Dunlop’s losing shed loads of money, unions running riot and industrial disputes being the norm. You seem to have forgotten that a strike blighted country, ‘the sick man of Europe’ was turned around by Maggie. Yes we had to put up with a lot, but she turned it around, and even pretending she didn’t is a betrayal of history......

The collapse of British manufacturing was far more down to its management than anything else, and unfortunately the fact that Thatcher blindly took their side meant that they never got to learn how they had gone wrong (or even that they had gone wrong).

Combine that with City deregulation and you ended up with almost all sectors of our economy - but especially the high street - being ran by overpaid egotists who think they'll always be able to fix the system so that (a) they get their bonus, (b) they will never be held to account for what they have done and (c) that there is nothing they can do to the workforce that will ever be unjustified. The result of course is that many great British companies have been brought to their knees, often in circumstances that would appear criminal to most people, and we the taxpayer have been left to pick up the pieces.

I still think Blair was worse than her - for a start, he had the greatest opportunity to fix the country that any PM will ever have (edit) and he proceeded to enrich himself - but she was pretty bad.
 
She started the process. Laid the groundwork.

She didn't - the OfQ programme that BR undertook during her time in office actually raised BR to a peak of efficiency it had never seen before. If she or a competent successor had followed the path that OfQ was leading them down we would probably have a railway system at least as good as the French one now.

Instead Major sold it off, and Blair didn't renationalize it.
 
Whatever you think of Thatcher it is a historical fact that when she took over from Labour the country was in its worst mess since the war and she sorted it. Blair is worse than Thatcher by a factor of 10.

No. Thatcher deliberately set out to damage a section of this countrys population for the benefit of a few. She sold out the lives and futures of generations for a theoretical ideology that was known and since proven to be a lie. So, it is an historical fact she was a traitor .

Blair sold out the principles of his party in a coup with Mandelson et al, was and is self serving and has a christian fundamentalist bent that drives his bloodlust. He is deranged, she was calculated and knew exactly what she was doing, his only defence is vanity that gives him a miniscule respite in a comparison.
 
Wasting your words, the kids on here hate Thatcher because they mostly haven’t a clue or have read something. They wouldn’t know a good PM if they fell over one. They mostly believe that Jezza would save the country. It makes you weep really for the future of our country........

Wouldn't really claim morality when discussing Thatcher. It is recent living memory. Haven't a clue? Ugly thing to say. She sacrificed her people for greed and the repercussions still reverberate today. I've read plenty from the Friedman ideology she followed to the suffering of communities splintered by her actions, I lived through it all, I stood up and fought against her policies out of principle and care for others. Weep for the country? Sanctimonious prig. Many did and still do. Be better.
 
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