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In all seriousness, I'm a white middle aged straight man and nobody has ever asked me to apologise for any sort of historical wrong. The only thing anybody has ever (personally) asked me for is to shut up and listen for a change and try to understand things from their perspective and experience. That has, honestly, led me to question a lot of things about myself and my outlook. It's never too late to learn.
 
In all seriousness, I'm a white middle aged straight man and nobody has ever asked me to apologise for any sort of historical wrong. The only thing anybody has ever (personally) asked me for is to shut up and listen for a change and try to understand things from their perspective and experience. That has, honestly, led me to question a lot of things about myself and my outlook. It's never too late to learn.

That works two ways my friend yet its only ever a one way road with a lot of things in life.

Take the transgender topic - in the UK there are approx 220,000 people who identify as trans or non binary oot of a population of near 69 million people.

Now that other 68.78 million people are constantly told they have to listen to a group of 220k and respect what they wish to be called, known as, identify as etc. yet when have those people asked the 68.78 million people how they feel on the subject? be it trans competing in female competitions, using the opposite sexs toilets/changies etc.

Now my personal opinion on that particular issue is that I have no ill feeling towards trans folk or anyone for that matter- I judge people by their character and actions regardless of their colour, sex, gender whatever else however I do believe gender dysphoria is a mental disorder/illness yet we don't treat it as such and I think lowering the age of transitioning to 16 who lets be honest no 16 yr old has any real life experience, are neither physically or mentally mature, many wont have explored sex neither has their brain fully developed so for me its completely wrong and likely political pandering to LGBTQ pressure groups.

So my point here really is that Everyone's opinion is valid when we all live and contribute to a working society but in practice that isn't how things work in our supposed "democracy" When the masses are told what to say, think, do and act by the minority.
 
So my point here really is that Everyone's opinion is valid

Apart from 16 year olds who want to transition. Which, by the way, is an absolute nightmare of circular logic and prejudice. I know you won't even watch one minute of this but it reduced me to tears on multiple occasions. Nobody is going to their doctor saying "I want to transition" and getting whisked straight to surgery.

 
Apart from 16 year olds who want to transition. Which, by the way, is an absolute nightmare of circular logic and prejudice. I know you won't even watch one minute of this but it reduced me to tears on multiple occasions. Nobody is going to their doctor saying "I want to transition" and getting whisked straight to surgery.



Where do you draw the line with that though? I mean should paedophiles be allowed to push for the loweing of the age of consent ? Should people under 18 even 16 have the right to vote when they have little to no life experience? Should alcoholics be able to pressure a law change in the legal limit ?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on any matter but there are laws and processes that must also be followed. The issue I have with the topic of trans for example is that the regular biological female athlete has no say on if trans women can compete with them or not, the regular woman with a history of domestic violence has no say on if a recently transitioned male can use the same toilet as her and so on. No one has bothered to consult with the people its all enforced and back door political/steering group shenanigans.

Its like me turning up to your house holding a broom stick and telling you and your partner that this broom stick is my lover called lucinda and you MUST refer to her by name otherwise I'll get very upset and angry.

I mean you may well think the decent thing to do would be to play along with that to not hurt my feelings or cause any issues - but surely I should have the common courtesy to ask you would you and your partner be happy with me doing that prior to just turning up holding a kin broomstick ? otherwise what I am doing is essentially saying my opinion and rights are worth more than yours yet its a two way interaction in a jointly contributed society we both share.

Thats not me saying I dont have sympathy for people suffering from gender dysphoria but there really should be more interaction and discussion on things without mud slinging and people not being involved in conversations that affect society as a whole regardless if you're a white male or a non binary alien.
 
I'm going to take these point by point, if that's alright with you.

Where do you draw the line with that though? I mean should paedophiles be allowed to push for the loweing of the age of consent ? Should people under 18 even 16 have the right to vote when they have little to no life experience? Should alcoholics be able to pressure a law change in the legal limit ?

All of those things you list have effects on other people. Transitioning only effects the person concerned.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on any matter but there are laws and processes that must also be followed. The issue I have with the topic of trans for example is that the regular biological female athlete has no say on if trans women can compete with them or not, the regular woman with a history of domestic violence has no say on if a recently transitioned male can use the same toilet as her and so on. No one has bothered to consult with the people its all enforced and back door political/steering group shenanigans.

Indeed, there are rules and processes. If you can point to some sort of outlaw gender clinic that's operating completely off the grid, I'd be very surprised.

Its like me turning up to your house holding a broom stick and telling you and your partner that this broom stick is my lover called lucinda and you MUST refer to her by name otherwise I'll get very upset and angry.

Why would I care if you and Lucinda are happy and not hurting anyone else? Would she like a cup of tea?

I mean you may well think the decent thing to do would be to play along with that to not hurt my feelings or cause any issues - but surely I should have the common courtesy to ask you would you and your partner happy in me doing that prior to turning up holding a kin broomstick ? otherwise what I am doing is essentially saying my opinion and rights are worth more than yours yet its a two way interaction in a jointly contributed society we both share.

No mate, I'd just be treating you and your choices with respect. You wanting to be with Lucinda has zero effect on my life, I'm happy you're living your authentic life.

Thats not me saying I dont have sympathy for people suffering from gender dysphoria but there really should be more interaction and discussion on things without mud slinging and people not being involved in conversations that affect society as a whole regardless if you're a white male or a non binary alien.

Again, watch the video. You might learn something.
 
That works two ways my friend yet its only ever a one way road with a lot of things in life.

Take the transgender topic - in the UK there are approx 220,000 people who identify as trans or non binary oot of a population of near 69 million people.

Now that other 68.78 million people are constantly told they have to listen to a group of 220k and respect what they wish to be called, known as, identify as etc. yet when have those people asked the 68.78 million people how they feel on the subject? be it trans competing in female competitions, using the opposite sexs toilets/changies etc.

Now my personal opinion on that particular issue is that I have no ill feeling towards trans folk or anyone for that matter- I judge people by their character and actions regardless of their colour, sex, gender whatever else however I do believe gender dysphoria is a mental disorder/illness yet we don't treat it as such and I think lowering the age of transitioning to 16 who lets be honest no 16 yr old has any real life experience, are neither physically or mentally mature, many wont have explored sex neither has their brain fully developed so for me its completely wrong and likely political pandering to LGBTQ pressure groups.

So my point here really is that Everyone's opinion is valid when we all live and contribute to a working society but in practice that isn't how things work in our supposed "democracy" When the masses are told what to say, think, do and act by the minority.
Well actually one of the big concerns of our, and arguably most, democratic systems is allowing minority voices to be heard and not subsumed by the majority.
 
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