How many times do we have to say it? This massive single market on our doorstep is skewed. The 27 gain far more from it than we do and they have far more to lose from it's abolition. As for the big global players they must be drooling at the prospect of replacing the dead hand of EU officialdom with ever more one on one deals with the UK.
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peteblue
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What a household or a village or a town or a city or a region or a country voted is quite irrelevant to the Brexit vote, it was a U.K. vote and all that countered was the final number one way or the other.......
roydo
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Although I didnt like the result, this is correct.
Perhaps for a different thread, but if all these very clever big cities were not quite as self obsessed at how important and big they are, perhaps they would look at the world outside of their city borders/M25.
They might be, well were, surprised.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Anyway, just to lighten the mood.....
Newsthump....
The UK has channelled its inner Mafioso by saying it might choose to look the other way on any EU-related terrorism intelligence it happens across, if it does not get what it wants in Brexit negotiations.
With a menacing stare, Home Secretary Amber Rudd told gathered reporters, “Europe is lovely, really lovely, and I’m sure we all want to keep it that way, don’t we?
“It would be horrible, absolutely horrible if some terrorist organisation were to make a mess of the place when maybe someone, maybe one of your friends, might have known something that could have prevented it.
“Now, some of you liberal snowflakes might call this a protection racket, but I prefer to think of it a robust negotiating position.”
“The safety and security of Europe’s people is clearly a negotiation chip just like all the others.
“They want to avoid terrorists going around killing their people, and we want our cars to be sold in Europe without any tariffs – I’m pretty sure we can find a way to make each other happy here.”
When told of developments in the Brexit negotiations, the head of one of New York’s leading ‘families’ told sources, “Gesù, lei ha enormi palle.”
Newsthump....
The UK has channelled its inner Mafioso by saying it might choose to look the other way on any EU-related terrorism intelligence it happens across, if it does not get what it wants in Brexit negotiations.
With a menacing stare, Home Secretary Amber Rudd told gathered reporters, “Europe is lovely, really lovely, and I’m sure we all want to keep it that way, don’t we?
“It would be horrible, absolutely horrible if some terrorist organisation were to make a mess of the place when maybe someone, maybe one of your friends, might have known something that could have prevented it.
“Now, some of you liberal snowflakes might call this a protection racket, but I prefer to think of it a robust negotiating position.”
“The safety and security of Europe’s people is clearly a negotiation chip just like all the others.
“They want to avoid terrorists going around killing their people, and we want our cars to be sold in Europe without any tariffs – I’m pretty sure we can find a way to make each other happy here.”
When told of developments in the Brexit negotiations, the head of one of New York’s leading ‘families’ told sources, “Gesù, lei ha enormi palle.”
Putting away any personal bias I have as someone who voted for Brexit though, if I had to guess why London (and I'm a resident) voted remain it would be this:
London has quite a young and flexible and high immigrant population. There are enough jobs for everyone and even though a lot of these are minimum wage, zero hours or gig economy the above people are prepared to take those and still feel sufficient engaged in the economy and life and are therefore happy to remain in the EU. It is a place that to this population still feels like it has hope and prospects.
In Brexit voting areas though people feel less good about their prospects and position in life, hence a vote for something different (or for the older people who remember something better, something that they hope will go back to that better time)
London has quite a young and flexible and high immigrant population. There are enough jobs for everyone and even though a lot of these are minimum wage, zero hours or gig economy the above people are prepared to take those and still feel sufficient engaged in the economy and life and are therefore happy to remain in the EU. It is a place that to this population still feels like it has hope and prospects.
In Brexit voting areas though people feel less good about their prospects and position in life, hence a vote for something different (or for the older people who remember something better, something that they hope will go back to that better time)
To be honest I am tired
To be honest I am tired of hearing people trying to analyse how we all voted back in June. It is all guesswork and speculation. As for London voting remain there are huge numbers of European nationls living there including enough French people to make London the 5th largest French city. Is it any surprise that to a man and woman they voted remain?
It can't be that as EU nationals weren't allowed to vote in our referendum
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
Without even bothering to make the point JonS has already made, does it not bemuse you how those who live most amongst the bloody foreigners - the most "swamped," as it were - are the least likely to vote against this "being swamped" by bloody foreigners?
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Bemuses me why we voted out. But we did.
So we have to make sure we make a decent fist of it now.
Oh yes they were.
I know you're not asking me but (you know me by now
) I'll chip in anyway with an opinion.You are implying it's the "foreigners" issue that made Brexit voters vote that way.
I'm saying no, that was a secondary or tertiary reason some people voted that way.
As my last post mentions people vote on their feelings about their prospects or, to quote from someone I can't remember: "It's the economy stupid!".
It's always the economy or how people feel their place in it that wins elections. Same as it ever was.
If people don't feel their prospects' are good then they are more likely to look for other things to blame (like immigrants).
They weren't mate. I work as a deputy presiding officer at election times - I know the rules - EU nationals living in the UK couldn't vote in the referendum
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
No, I'm "implying" that the vomit-inducing xenophobia and racism are what ultimately swung it. Remove that factor and we wouldn't be leaving the EU.
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
My wife is Polish. She had no say, sadly. I can vouch for this.
Youve chopped off the rest of my quote. So you're saying racism/xenophobia was the number 1 reason for people voting Brexit?
EDIT: Sorry misread your quote. You're just saying that racism / xenophobia swung it? Id say possibly but IMO the economy/feelings about prospects was the main factor in Brexit votes
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