Current Affairs The UK/EU thread....

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tsubaki said:
Sorry, but Whitehall is nowhere near as bureaucratic as Brussels is - for a start, every bit of their considerable output has to be translated exactly into numerous languages. That output then has to be discussed, bounced around and agreed across all - on in some areas a qualified majority - of the 28 (soon to be 27, of course) member nations, and after it has been agreed is then rarely read, given the lack of interest most people have in the EU and the general lack of quality in the European Parliament.

In fact, if you want to see how much more bureaucratic they are take a look at the pay and conditions of EU permanent officials - even Sir Humphrey would be green with envy at it all.
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I liked the 5-9 months to get through the selection process.......not bureaucratic then......oh and the €16,000 per month plus expenses seems fair.........
 
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peteblue said:
Happy Brexit Day.....now let's stop all the debate regarding leave/Remain and concentrate on getting a sensible win/win deal.......
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We are talking about UK politicians negotiating, who can't fill out an expenses sheet without telling obvious and child like lies.
 
mascoq66700 said:
We are talking about UK politicians negotiating, who can't fill out an expenses sheet without telling obvious and child like lies.
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I think EU expense fiddles are even worse tbh. Ridiculous gravy train. Imagine if you're Scottish, you have the local council. MSP, MP and MEP, all taking part of your tax to pay their salary. Not that I foresee bureaucracy reducing when we're out of the EU.
 
peteblue said:
Happy Brexit Day.....now let's stop all the debate regarding leave/Remain and concentrate on getting a sensible win/win deal.......
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No such thing as a win/win in this scenario. I reckon we're screwed and no amount of wishing it was 1957 is going to help. I am actually pleased I don't have, and will not have, grandchildren to worry about.
 
Chewbacca said:
No such thing as a win/win in this scenario. I reckon we're screwed and no amount of wishing it was 1957 is going to help. I am actually pleased I don't have, and will not have, grandchildren to worry about.
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I was a bit nonplussed with the whole debate around the referendum, just two shower of thieves falling out about how to make money. I even smiled when the result was announced as Brexit, because of the reaction to the decision by the MSM who were defeated by it.

But the more I look at this situation now I can see how much of a disaster it'll be. Giving up nailed on trade with the biggest market in the world and replacing that by going around cutting bi-lateral deals that will never make up the deficit. No wonder that penguin Theresa May keeps stressing this is the will of the people. No way does she wish to go down in history as the PM who governed over this massive mistake.

The racism of people is going to come back to haunt them. The immigration debate clinched it and now the economy will be hit and vital services they've all been banging on about will become even less secure.

Despite the polls a the moment I really wouldn't rule out a major political convulsion between now and 2020. The economy will be rocked by disinvestment, and you can bet your bottom dollar the EU will be tightening the screw on this defection and doing all they can to make that happen.
 
davek said:
I was a bit nonplussed with the whole debate around the referendum, just two shower of thieves falling out about how to make money. I even smiled when the result was announced as Brexit, because of the reaction to the decision by the MSM who were defeated by it.

But the more I look at this situation now I can see how much of a disaster it'll be. Giving up nailed on trade with the biggest market in the world and replacing that by going around cutting bi-lateral deals that will never make up the deficit. No wonder that penguin Theresa May keeps stressing this is the will of the people. No way does she wish to go down in history as the PM who governed over this massive mistake.

The racism of people is going to come back to haunt them. The immigration debate clinched it and now the economy will be hit and vital services they've all been banging on about will become even less secure.

Despite the polls a the moment I really wouldn't rule out a major political convulsion between now and 2020. The economy will be rocked by disinvestment, and you can bet your bottom dollar the EU will be tightening the screw on this defection and doing all they can to make that happen.
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Of course when we leave the EU it will no longer be the biggest market in the world, that will now become the USA, with whom we will immediately do a deal. We will still do a deal with the EU, but will be free to do many more deals quickly with other countries. We will also retain the trade deals already set up by the EU to which we are sovereign signatories. The overall picture is that we will end up with a much bigger trading base.

The economy will do just fine.....
 
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peteblue said:
Of course when we leave the EU it will no longer be the biggest market in the world, that will now become the USA, with whom we will immediately do a deal. We will still do a deal with the EU, but will be free to do many more deals quickly with other countries. We will also retain the trade deals already set up by the EU to which we are sovereign signatories. The overall picture is that we will end up with a much bigger trading base.

The economy will do just fine.....
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peteblue said:
Of course when we leave the EU it will no longer be the biggest market in the world, that will now become the USA, with whom we will immediately do a deal. We will still do a deal with the EU, but will be free to do many more deals quickly with other countries. We will also retain the trade deals already set up by the EU to which we are sovereign signatories. The overall picture is that we will end up with a much bigger trading base.

The economy will do just fine.....
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The EU will make an example of the UK for any of the other 27 caring to go it alone.

But what we have to understand in all this is that capital is global in nature not national. If global corporations are feeling the headwinds of regulation and tariff they'll simply disinvest and go elsewhere. Look at the financial sector already exploring ways of relocating to the likes of Frankfurt, Paris or Dublin.
 
davek said:
The EU will make an example of the UK for any of the other 27 caring to go it alone.

But what we have to understand in all this is that capital is global in nature not national. If global corporations are feeling the headwinds of regulation and tariff they'll simply disinvest and go elsewhere. Look at the financial sector already exploring ways of relocating to the likes of Frankfurt, Paris or Dublin.
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The EU will not be 'making an example' of the UK, because quite simply when we leave the U.K. will be their largest export market. For all the bluster coming out of the EU they know that they need to trade with the uk on sensible terms, they know that they still require our financial expertise and our defence capabilities. We have quite a few desirable attributes.

The financial sector may well open small offices if needed in Ireland but there will be no mass transfer to places such as Frankfurt etc. There is far more to financial services than just banks and money, there is also the availability of access to legal firms, the oversight of financial transactions, local taxation (think Paris) and language......it ain't going to happen....
 
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