Current Affairs The next Tory (strong and stable) leader is Boris Johnson

[NilSatisOptimum]

It is quite obvious that the government are trying to push and pull the opposition out of position like on a tennis court to then be able to hit a winner. I don't believe for one second that they didn't know that proroguing parliament was going to create an uproar and that calling for an early election would fail. So why do it? Probably just to hammer home the point that BoJo is the man of the people (well at least 17.4 million of them) and to try and keep a lid on the brexit party to stop their share of the vote being diminished.

The sneaky part of this is that I honestly believe that the aim is not to carry out the threat of leaving, because as soon as that happens the economy would take a hit and without a majority in the commons an election would be inevitable. All that means if they have come out with a no deal Brexit the Tories would be toast.

So with massive bluffing and bluster the Tories will try to pin the eventual delay on the opposition parties, stating on record they offered a GE blah blah and only the threat of the law stopped BJ. This will garner sone sympathy and try to drum up the leave support to then have an election without the negative backdrop of a no deal Brexit giving voters a new understanding of what is and will be involved.

Probably. However, it will be a General Election, not Brexit Election and try as they like, General Elections are always very much of there own energy.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Probably. However, it will be a General Election, not Brexit Election and try as they like, General Elections are always very much of there own energy.

You would hope so, but Brexit seems to be all dominating at the moment, so what gets lost in the background I don't know.

Obviously the Tories have been able to address some of this by stating more police, spending in the NHS and 'the end of austerity' to back up they're the party of brexit (& therefore honouring democracy...HAHA good joke!).

Whatever happens I still think they will be the biggest party but with less seats than now, which basically means they're screwed whatever they do. The way I described in my previous post just seems more damage limiting to me. Else they continue a scorched earth policy and try and get a no deal which will then lead to them getting the boot, but the incoming government will have to deal with the fallout making it a rocky road of a first term. So maybe an opening to get back first time of asking 5 years later? But obviously the campaign will be that the Tories caused it in the first place. Or Johnson goes tail between his legs and gets a deal but I think that will make the upcoming election harder for them.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You would hope so, but Brexit seems to be all dominating at the moment, so what gets lost in the background I don't know.

Obviously the Tories have been able to address some of this by stating more police, spending in the NHS and 'the end of austerity' to back up they're the party of brexit (& therefore honouring democracy...HAHA good joke!).

Whatever happens I still think they will be the biggest party but with less seats than now, which basically means they're screwed whatever they do. The way I described in my previous post just seems more damage limiting to me. Else they continue a scorched earth policy and try and get a no deal which will then lead to them getting the boot, but the incoming government will have to deal with the fallout making it a rocky road of a first term. So maybe an opening to get back first time of asking 5 years later? But obviously the campaign will be that the Tories caused it in the first place. Or Johnson goes tail between his legs and gets a deal but I think that will make the upcoming election harder for them.

Which is perhaps the most worrying thing about all of this. They've been an unmitigated disaster for the last three years, and have replaced the most horrendously one dimensional and robotic leader with a pathological liar, and yet they are still leading in the polls.

 

[orchard]

Back to work, cancel conference, and pursue Yellowhammer/Mogg misleading the Queen?

 

[Barnfred 55]

Scottish high courts just reversed decision of proroguing parliament. No idea what jurisdiction they have. Cat and pigeons.

 

[edge]

Scottish high courts just reversed decision of proroguing parliament. No idea what jurisdiction they have. Cat and pigeons.

it will go to the supreme uk court now,
Thank god Johnson is such a disaster

 

[orchard]

 

[orchard]

 

[orchard]

Ripped from elsewhere:

So a summary of the constitutional crisis we are in:

• 2 of the 3 legal systems in this country currently disagree about whether or not Parliament is prorogued.
• The Government has been ordered by Parliament to release their no deal prep and reasons for prorogation to the Public. The Government looks like they will disregard this, remember that something very similar is what caused May's Government to be found in contempt of parliament earlier in the year
• PM has been ordered BY LAW to request an A50 extension, and is indicating he will ignore this.
• Bercow may declare Parliament "in session" and hold sittings, Government may disagree and not turn up and ignore any legislation that may come of it.
• PM has been found to have lied to a Monarch for the first time in our history.
• Northern Irish courts due to rule tomorrow on whether or not a "no deal" Brexit breaches the GFA.
• Anything else... oh yeah we're leaving the EU in the less than 2 months and haven't agreed a deal/extension

 

[Aberblue]

Ripped from elsewhere:

So a summary of the constitutional crisis we are in:

• 2 of the 3 legal systems in this country currently disagree about whether or not Parliament is prorogued.
• The Government has been ordered by Parliament to release their no deal prep and reasons for prorogation to the Public. The Government looks like they will disregard this, remember that something very similar is what caused May's Government to be found in contempt of parliament earlier in the year
• PM has been ordered BY LAW to request an A50 extension, and is indicating he will ignore this.
• Bercow may declare Parliament "in session" and hold sittings, Government may disagree and not turn up and ignore any legislation that may come of it.
• PM has been found to have lied to a Monarch for the first time in our history.
• Northern Irish courts due to rule tomorrow on whether or not a "no deal" Brexit breaches the GFA.
• Anything else... oh yeah we're leaving the EU in the less than 2 months and haven't agreed a deal/extension

Yes, but we've got blue passports now.

 

[Moomin]

Yes, but we've got blue passports now.

Made in Europe!!!!

Huzzah!!!!!!

 

[orchard]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And then surely Article 50 is revoked? The whole thing has become contemptible.

 

[orchard]

And then surely Article 50 is revoked? The whole thing has become contemptible.

Well, parliament can't bind itself, but i don't think it right just to revoke. Personally, Labour's plan is the best, but ought to be effected by a cross-party coalition and include tightening of electoral laws prior to a binding referendum.

 

[Barnfred 55]

it will go to the supreme uk court now,
Thank god Johnson is such a disaster

Yeah. If you just set aside the legality for a moment. Just the act of proroguing parliament for so long flies in the face of democracy. And given that they are using democracy as the main reason for upholding the result of the referendum, it just smacks of hypocrisy. You also wonder why he prorogued parliament for so long, when it would have been closed for around 3 weeks anyway whilst all the conferences were taking place.

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