The Moyes influence on Everton.

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blueblue said:
I read an article recently from the scout who recommended John Stones to Everton. He said that he really pushed hard for the club to sign the player, that David Moyes was in favour , but not strongly so and all the other coaches at that time were firmly against. On deadline day as John Stones was driving to Wigan the agent rang David Moyes and told him where the player was going and this was their last chance to sign him.
Moyes made " an executive " decision to sign the player, Stones was rerouted to Everton and the rest is history.
So, it appeared that most of the coaching staff at that time didn't see the potential.

But then, neither did the coaching staff from any other club apart from ,ironically, a club managed by Roberto Martinez.
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Yeah I read that article, took it with a huge pinch of salt - seemed to be the scout wanting to tell everyone that he was the only person in the world who could see the vast potential in Stones.
 
I am just about in the pro Moyes camp for what he did for us but agree he stayed too long. However if he was still here Stones would still be being banded about to lower league teams on loan because he dared try skin someone in his own half and was tackled once. Barkley would either be a bit part player or sold of by now so for that Roberto is in a different league when it comes to nurturing talent.
 
sandman77 said:
Unbelievably important for Everton FC.

Created every piece of the foundation, and established a ramp from where we were able to compete without the finances (work-ethics, buy cheap, sell expensive). All in all, a pragmatic man with business sense.

However, he had a lot of tactical shortcomings, and a minority complex.
The minority complex has since vanished after Martinez' arrival.
But: Martinez could never have taken over unless we had
a) The foundation of Moyes (squad, mentality, togetherness) and
b) the new TV-deal which enables us to hold on to players (Moyes never really had that luxury).

Both good men, and I think we are lucky to have had at the time.
Moyes was never going to bring us above 5th place (except his one time, at band camp...)
Martinez probably won't either, but he lacks the inhibitions of Moyes, which might turn out to be a very good thing in the current climate....
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That post just about sums it up perfectly.
 
I'm seriously not even arsed about him anymore, I feel we made our point by beating United twice the way we did during that season.

The Moyes era I think will be judged differently than how it currently is when fans look back in a few decades. I feel it will be viewed as a time when the club went into a steady hibernation of sorts. Got away from the bottom end of the league and settled down for comfortable mid-table mediocrity which just about sums Moyes up as a manager.

For the first few years he provided some much needed stability and finally got us away from the constant battles with relegation, he deserves massive plaudits for that and it's something I'll always respect him for, even the most ardent anti-Moyes would have to agree.

The second phase of his reign provided everyone some real optimism that the club was on it's way back towards the top. We signed some top class players, we put together some very strong sides (all for next to nothing), got back into Europe a few times and had some tremendous battles with the big boys. I have a lot of happy memories of us getting some great victories at Goodison thanks to him that I'll never forget.

The third and final part of his reign, the last 2 or 3 years, it all started to feel like a real drag. It had become near enough the same thing every season. We sold a great player, went into the season depressed, picked up some great wins here and there but got battered by the sh*te in both derbys and didn't win a trophy or qualify for Europe. I remember the exact game where I finally snapped and thought for the first time ever that it was time for Moyes to leave, it was the 3-0 thumping we took at Anfield where Gerrard scored a hat-trick past a reserve XI. We'd always played badly and with fear against Liverpool during his time but that game was practically us waving a white flag before kick-off. I have never forgiven Moyes for it and I never will, it was downright disgraceful for any manager to do.

To summarise, for me Moyes was a good manager but good's about it, not great. He did well for a long stretch but the last few years undoubtedly damaged his legacy and when you add it all up it definitely doesn't constitute him being considered a legend or anything. I wish him luck with what he's doing in Spain and when he inevitably comes back to the Premier League I'll show him courtesy when he plays against us. Ultimately though, I don't think he's a manager many Evertonians will tell their kids and grandkids much about.
 
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I liked Moyes, did a decent job. I always felt he could do better but he couldn't get over his "big game bottle" tag.
One thing that always struck me was that he never referred to Everton as "us". He never got Everton and he was never one of us imo.
 
PaulieMc said:
I'm seriously not even arsed about him anymore, I feel we made our point by beating United twice the way we did during that season.

The Moyes era I think will be judged differently than how it currently is when fans look back in a few decades. I feel it will be viewed as a time when the club went into a steady hibernation of sorts. Got away from the bottom end of the league and settled down for comfortable mid-table mediocrity which just about sums Moyes up as a manager.

For the first few years he provided some much needed stability and finally got us away from the constant battles with relegation, he deserves massive plaudits for that and it's something I'll always respect him for, even the most ardent anti-Moyes would have to agree.

The second phase of his reign provided everyone some real optimism that the club was on it's way back towards the top. We signed some top class players, we put together some very strong sides (all for next to nothing), got back into Europe a few times and had some tremendous battles with the big boys. I have a lot of happy memories of us getting some great victories at Goodison thanks to him that I'll never forget.

The third and final part of his reign, the last 2 or 3 years, it all started to feel like a real drag. It had become near enough the same thing every season. We sold a great player, went into the season depressed, picked up some great wins here and there but got battered by the sh*te in both derbys and didn't win a trophy or qualify for Europe. I remember the exact game where I finally snapped and thought for the first time ever that it was time for Moyes to leave, it was the 3-0 thumping we took at Anfield where Gerrard scored a hat-trick past a reserve XI. We'd always played badly and with fear against Liverpool during his time but that game was practically us waving a white flag before kick-off. I have never forgiven Moyes for it and I never will, it was downright disgraceful for any manager to do.

To summarise, for me Moyes was a good manager but good's about it, not great. He did well for a long stretch but the last few years undoubtedly damaged his legacy and when you add it all up it definitely doesn't constitute him being considered a legend or anything. I wish him luck with what he's doing in Spain and when he inevitably comes back to the Premier League I'll show him courtesy when he plays against us. Ultimately though, I don't think he's a manager many Evertonians will tell their kids and grandkids much about.
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Good summary and I'd agree with nearly all of it.

My 'moment' was the cup game against Wigan when Martinez tactically outwitted Moyes - I was hoping he would leave at the end of that season. Which came to pass, albeit not quite in the way that it should have with Utd suddenly having a vacancy.

I think the problem with his last couple of years was him thinking 'yeah, I've shown what I can do building a team with no money and getting them regularly in the top 7 but I'm really fed up with not having the funds to take the next step forward. So I'm gonna sulk about it a bit.' The problem is that this attitude was then reflected in our play and we were far too cautious when we needed to be bolder. There was no way back. Shame really, but 11 years is more than long enough for any manager to be at any club so it was time to move on.

Just hoping Martinez can build on the solid foundations he left us, and after a bit of a wobble last season, it's now looking like he just might.
 
Tigger said:
I am just about in the pro Moyes camp for what he did for us but agree he stayed too long. However if he was still here Stones would still be being banded about to lower league teams on loan because he dared try skin someone in his own half and was tackled once. Barkley would either be a bit part player or sold of by now so for that Roberto is in a different league when it comes to nurturing talent.
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Rooney and Rodwell got loads of games. The other youngsters that have come through, ultimately weren't good enough. Vic and Vaughan had opportunities but were rarely fit.
 
Moyes' influence was Positive rather than negative but not enough to make him great. he signed some boss players and restored my belief that we could be boss again, the main reason why I think he never took us into the Champions league proper is the lack of financial support, without that and it's quite justifiable we we're highly unlikely to become a regular challenger for the title or even top 4. It's highly likely that Martinez will be unable to achieve it as well, I mean if he did it without major financial backing it would be like working miracles, a cup on the other hand is highly achievable and Moyes failed to deliver. Will Martinez?
 
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