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[Clint Planet]

Boom.

 

[dead_soft]

Nationalism is a weird concept as too much of it can be detrimental and create facism however a lack of it can create large divisions within society.


And thats the same for a countries society imo - there is too much focus on grouping people in society but for me thats failing to realise that all you ultimately do is further divide and separate - I couldn't care less about someones skin colour or sexual orientation so why group it?

That’s quite a bold point considering what nationalism has been responsible for. ‘Too much can be detrimental and cause fascism’ is an odd way to phrase a point about the ideology that was used to lead to the Holocaust.

What do you mean by focus though? We can’t just ignore these factors as they are vitally important - they effect health, living standards, education, required access to support from the state. It’s not even just about discrimination - it’s about how day to day lives are lived.

I also noticed you used ‘ancestors’ to describe 100+ years - since when did two generations become ancestors?

 

[Billy Dean]

Boom.

Long time no see Clint. Good to have you back mate

 

[Clint Planet]

Cheers, fella.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

That’s quite a bold point considering what nationalism has been responsible for. ‘Too much can be detrimental and cause fascism’ is an odd way to phrase a point about the ideology that was used to lead to the Holocaust.

What do you mean by focus though? We can’t just ignore these factors as they are vitally important - they effect health, living standards, education, required access to support from the state. It’s not even just about discrimination - it’s about how day to day lives are lived.

I also noticed you used ‘ancestors’ to describe 100+ years - since when did two generations become ancestors?

Communism
Capitalism
Nationalism

Have all lead to mass murder in history - to pick out just nationalism is strange.

Like everything there is a scale and too much of anything goes the way of extremism which in nationalisms case is facism however to have no nationalism at all creates a society that have no connection to one another hence why instead we find that connection/hive mentality in social groups but ultimately that causea tensions and conflicts against said other groupings.

We do not need to group anyone - being a lesbian doesn't have any effects when a Doctor is giving you treatment, being asian doesn't change how suitable you are at doing your job so get rid of it all.

Humans will never stop discriminating until you remove the silly concept of "us against them".

If it was upto me I would teach different history and cultures but I would from childhood empathise that we are all the same and that there is no "difference" in one another - all stuff like gay pride and BLM etc ultimately does is create a us and you and thats no good for a united society.

Think of the world cup where everyone is behind the national team and it doesn't matter what colour your skin is or who you are attracted too - that should be the goal for society.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Think of the world cup where everyone is behind the national team and it doesn't matter what colour your skin is or who you are attracted too - that should be the goal for society.

You see it this way because you are (I presume) white.

I personally know people who won't go to a pub to watch a game if they have a load of massive St. George Crosses hanging around the place because it's generally a dogwhistle to the sort of people who go to defend statues.

I've been in a pub (albeit for the 2002 WC) where about 50 people were chanting "I'd rather be a (racist term for an asian) than an Arge". In that instance I got a pint poured on me and punched in the face for pointing out the irony of supporting a team including Ferdinand, Cole, Campbell and Heskey.

I don't know if things have changed dramaticallysince I left but supporting England as a member of an ethnic minority isn't always a positive experience.

 

[Hickson9]

Communism
Capitalism
Nationalism

Have all lead to mass murder in history - to pick out just nationalism is strange.

Like everything there is a scale and too much of anything goes the way of extremism which in nationalisms case is facism however to have no nationalism at all creates a society that have no connection to one another hence why instead we find that connection/hive mentality in social groups but ultimately that causea tensions and conflicts against said other groupings.

We do not need to group anyone - being a lesbian doesn't have any effects when a Doctor is giving you treatment, being asian doesn't change how suitable you are at doing your job so get rid of it all.

Humans will never stop discriminating until you remove the silly concept of "us against them".

If it was upto me I would teach different history and cultures but I would from childhood empathise that we are all the same and that there is no "difference" in one another - all stuff like gay pride and BLM etc ultimately does is create a us and you and thats no good for a united society.

Think of the world cup where everyone is behind the national team and it doesn't matter what colour your skin is or who you are attracted too - that should be the goal for society.

I would rather live in a society where we embrace and celebrate the differences we all have.

 

[peteblue]

This isn't relevant to a mature discussion about who and what we glorify within our society, and how we do so.

It’s as relevant as most of the crap in here. If we are going to tear down artefacts that involved slavery then let’s do the job properly and tear everything down, or are we just being very selective.......

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

It’s as relevant as most of the crap in here. If we are going to tear down artefacts that involved slavery then let’s do the job properly and tear everything down, or are we just being very selective.......

What's wrong with being selective?

 

[peteblue]

What's wrong with being selective?

 

[tsubaki]

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Roman roads weren’t built by slaves, pete

 

[Harryflashman]

Roman roads weren’t built by slaves, pete

Roman legions wasn’t it ?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Roman roads weren’t built by slaves, pete

The idea that space and time were fundamentally altered in it's construction and that without the institution of slavery nobody could concieve of a permanent route between North Wales and Bedfordshire is a bit of a stretch also.

 

[peteblue]

Roman roads weren’t built by slaves, pete

Surely we must have transported a few of them along it though.

I think people have lost the plot. I suppose if nothing else it’s educating people about certain individuals and their roles in a previous time. However judging them against the values of today rather than the norm of their time is what gets me....

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I would rather live in a society where we embrace and celebrate the differences we all have.

I think that can be achieved but only with a centrist government/society.

The looney left and far right play groups and differences off to suit their own voter bases / agenda's so right now its simply a pipedream.