Current Affairs The Landmarks of Slavery;

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If the consideration is moving to things of association with slavery beyond just statues, to buildings and street names then maybe names like Edward Colston, for example, should be banned too.
 
Tipp blue said:
Damn it @Eggs I got into this yesterday on another thread and now you create a thread dedicated to it.. I do not believe history good or bad should be removed, if you want to question one aspect of history just because it's fleetingly a hot media topic, people never heard of this guy up until a few days ago and now want his life forgotten along with all the good he did for Bristol, what he was involved in was seen as normal at the time, you can't can't look at people from the past and hold them to today's standards, if we want to do that we'll have a great many statues to tear down. Queen Victoria she's gone, Drake gone, Churchill rip it down, Nelson at Trafalgar topple it, Cromwell melt it for scrap. I'd go as far as saying that what Victoria did toothed Irish was far worse than anything Colson ever did, a million plus dead another million left the country, starving people evicted from their homes, having the navy intercept aid destined for Ireland from other countries, let's rip down her statues.. nope we can't she's a member of the top 100 greatest Britons of all time. If you are proud of your country's history and all the good the British have done over the centuries like a assume most would be, then the fact is that same history contains some figures who did some good in and for certain areas or indeed the entire country but we're complete tyrants to people in other parts of the then that is still part of history and needs to be remembered. Toppling over the statue has achieved nothing but more people knowing his name.
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If they could afford to emigrate then they could afford to eat in a modest restaurant.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Its about time, however, action not words will need to follow very quickly, these statues have been identified discussed for years, however, nothing happens apart from more talk... If nothing is done by authorities they will go...
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It's not only the statues with their racist and imperialist connotations that need toppling but the racist Johnson needs to go.
 
Eggs said:
The toppling of Edward Colston’s statue in Bristol is being lauded by some and highlighted as hooliganism by others, but it has opened a debate about landmarks associated with slavery. London mayor, Sadiq Khan, has ordered a review of sites in the capital like the world famous Guy’s Hospital

A visit to the Maritime museum shows Liverpool‘s association with slavery through many of its street names. Penny Lane is named after 18th Century slave trader, James Penny, whilst the Goree is part of the Dock Road and named after an island off the Senegal coast synonymous with slavery.

I’m an old white bloke and accept its easy for me to say let things be, but perhaps we should be educated about the origin of such sites. I’m not saying we should celebrate that city’s like Liverpool and Bristol have been built on the wealth of slavery but we shouldn’t hide it. Perhaps those street signs and statues could carry an image associating them with their shameful origin.
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For me, it's something that should be considered locally and democratically.

I don't believe in mob rule where a group of people take it upon themselves to inflict their own version of justice. If that was opened to everybody, then nobody's property is safe.

This is a principle that applies across the board, not just to slavery.

Have a democratic vote on it. It doesn't have to be a mini referendum. It can be part of a manifesto leading up to council elections. For instance, if the Labour Party in Liverpool publically stated it's intention to change the name of all the streets and buildings linked to the slave trade, and made this clear via TV and other media outlets, then people know what they are voting for if they vote Labour.

But we can't have people running around the streets just doing whatever they want, however worthy the cause.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
For me, it's something that should be considered locally and democratically.

I don't believe in mob rule where a group of people take it upon themselves to inflict their own version of justice. If that was opened to everybody, then nobody's property is safe.

This is a principle that applies across the board, not just to slavery.

Have a democratic vote on it. It doesn't have to be a mini referendum. It can be part of a manifesto leading up to council elections. For instance, if the Labour Party in Liverpool publically stated it's intention to change the name of all the streets and buildings linked to the slave trade, and made this clear via TV and other media outlets, then people know what they are voting for if they vote Labour.

But we can't have people running around the streets just doing whatever they want, however worthy the cause.
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That would leave huge question marks over anyone who didn't vote Labour IMO. Good idea.
 
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