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[Lanolin]

I think it’s a issue with the UK in general trying to whitewash it’s dark past. I refuse to call the UK “Great Britain” for this reason, we never get taught about the real atrocities that Britain committed in the days of the empire and before the empire. No mention of scorched earth policies in Ireland, massacres in India and Africa, and minimum mention of the slavery of millions of people is a big problem.

Take Germany for example, they really looked into themselves and learned from the Nazi’s, whereas the UK doesn’t really do this, and instead tried to bury the ugly little facts that get in the way of celebrating the glorious British empire.

I mentioned this the other day in another thread but I was certainly taught about the bad in Britain's past, and nobody could accuse my school of being good. From following this discussion on social media an awful lot of teachers say they've been teaching it for years, and that some of it is even mandatory. Maybe some people just don't listen at school and then blame their teachers/the government for things they don't know?

This was brought up somewhere else, but apparently our fabled hero William Ralph Dean was the victim of racial slurs and one that many still use today - Dixie.

Due to his darker complexion, the name Dixie apparently was used in reference to the Dixie or Confederate States (deep south), which built itself on slavery.

The Mason-Dixon line formed by a person called Dixon, where the term Dixie originally stemmed from, separated the free north and the slave owning south.

The term was disliked by Dean and he preferred to be called William, and understandably so you'd expect. It would be interesting to know if this is in fact true.

No idea about the origin thing but Dave Prentice from the Echo is married to Dixie's granddaughter and apparently she says he was quite happy to be called Dixie as far as she and her family are concerned. He tweeted about it the other day.

 

[Connor]

Street names are fine enough because the majority of folks don't know what they mean. I didn't know Bold Street was named as such until all this has happened. I think with those, you could do a better job with explaining the origins of the name.

As for statues, bring them all down. Rhodes, Cromwell, Churchill, Thatcher.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I think we should just give up on all statues of anybody. You can find something unseemly in anybody's past.

 

[spectateur]

The pubs need to open up so everyone can chill out.

You need alcohol to relax? Sounds like you're on a slippery slope.

 

[degsy]

@Eggs is the best at creating needless threads for topics being discussed elsewhere buddy. our esteemed buddy is paid by thread on here.

Pot/kettle alert
Pot/kettle alert

This is not a drill

 

[Harryflashman]

No idea about the origin thing but Dave Prentice from the Echo is married to Dixie's granddaughter and apparently she says he was quite happy to be called Dixie as far as she and her family are concerned. He tweeted about it the other day.

i mean they’d know you’d think not many better sources than that . but it’s funny in our family it was kind of drummed in that it was William or William Ralph by one elderly fanatical blue . I can assure you given the source it certainly wasn’t In any political correct way but spoken about that he didn’t like ‘Dixie ‘ . Whether it was a story they’d heard on the terraces , in the pub or from the great man even second or third hand ive no idea but it was certainly something I was told . Don’t get me wrong I call him Dixie, on occasion , like most blues but it still causes me a moments pause .

 

[the sniderman]

This is not a drill

no buddy it is an online message board that u are accessing thru an electronic advice. it cannot repeat cannot be used to make holes in surfaces so do not attempt it. r u ok buddy??

 

[Lanolin]

i mean they’d know you’d think not many better sources than that . but it’s funny in our family it was kind of drummed in that it was William or William Ralph by one elderly fanatical blue . I can assure you given the source it certainly wasn’t In any political correct way but spoken about that he didn’t like ‘Dixie ‘ . Whether it was a story they’d heard on the terraces , in the pub or from the great man even second or third hand ive no idea but it was certainly something I was told . Don’t get me wrong I call him Dixie, on occasion , like most blues but it still causes me a moments pause .

Yeah I think we've all heard it at one point or another. That was the point of what Prentice was saying I think, 'you may have heard he didn't like it but..'. I think she had birthday cards or something that he'd signed Dixie. Not something you can imagine him doing if he hated it.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Someone needs to do some digging into John Houldings past. That's definitely a statue that is very dubious.

He commited the most heinous crime against humanity. In the Mersey he goes!

 

[Harryflashman]

Yeah I think we've all heard it at one point or another. That was the point of what Prentice was saying I think, 'you may have heard he didn't like it but..'. I think she had birthday cards or something that he'd signed Dixie. Not something you can imagine him doing if he hated it.

no exactly and the point I was reiterating I suppose by saying they’d know .

 

[Eggs]

Damn it @Eggs I got into this yesterday on another thread and now you create a thread dedicated to it.. I do not believe history good or bad should be removed, if you want to question one aspect of history just because it's fleetingly a hot media topic, people never heard of this guy up until a few days ago and now want his life forgotten along with all the good he did for Bristol, what he was involved in was seen as normal at the time, you can't can't look at people from the past and hold them to today's standards, if we want to do that we'll have a great many statues to tear down. Queen Victoria she's gone, Drake gone, Churchill rip it down, Nelson at Trafalgar topple it, Cromwell melt it for scrap. I'd go as far as saying that what Victoria did toothed Irish was far worse than anything Colson ever did, a million plus dead another million left the country, starving people evicted from their homes, having the navy intercept aid destined for Ireland from other countries, let's rip down her statues.. nope we can't she's a member of the top 100 greatest Britons of all time. If you are proud of your country's history and all the good the British have done over the centuries like a assume most would be, then the fact is that same history contains some figures who did some good in and for certain areas or indeed the entire country but we're complete tyrants to people in other parts of the then that is still part of history and needs to be remembered. Toppling over the statue has achieved nothing but more people knowing his name.

....sorry, Tipp (and @the sniderman) I didn’t pick up the discussions elsewhere.

 

[the sniderman]

....sorry, Tipp (and @the sniderman) I didn’t pick up the discussions elsewhere.

buddy i find having a quick read of other threads rather than just clicking on new thread for whatever is rolling round ur head at that particular time is a great way of keeping our community super clean and tidy. wishing u a lovely day.

 

[Joey66]

joseph this is maybe the worst false equivalence i have ever seen on here. in ur world it auschwitz would be a grand statue of adolf hitler that we bus children to walk around and learn from rather than the apparatus of his wanton slaughter to study and be horrified by.

That camp is open to tourist my nephew has been there - it is in the condition the Germans left it in after trying to erase history...my point is statues good or bad in history are there for an educational reason throwing one into the harbour is not an answer - I agree its position was incorrrect it's being moved to a museum correctly not by thuggery ....
The biggest racist I ever came across was a director at Buxton ....I was in two minds whether to take a job offer and had to meet him - his we don't have blacks here and hey your used to it coming from Liverpool soon made my mind up - I told him where to stick his job ......
Right choice in the end as it worked out a tip Director FGS - I had never had any problems in Liverpool with racism in Liverpool imo they were as Scouse as I was .....

 

[Connor]

Incidentally, I would happily see every statue of Leopold II removed over here because he was one of the 19th Century's greatest monsters, a child molester and an overall bad wool.

 

[Eggs]

buddy i find having a quick read of other threads rather than just clicking on new thread for whatever is rolling round ur head at that particular time is a great way of keeping our community super clean and tidy. wishing u a lovely day.

...absolutely. I’m all for good housekeeping and genuinely not a ‘thread starter’ by habit. Regardless, these pages are quite busy suggesting the discussion was worth its own thread.