coollino
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Admittedly I had no idea about either but others may.
I'd certainly agree that the street names are not as 'important' as the statues but they should still be questioned.
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Admittedly I had no idea about either but others may.
I'd certainly agree that the street names are not as 'important' as the statues but they should still be questioned.
NilSatisOptimum
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The act bringing down the statue was an excellent learning tool...
ForeverBlue92
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All just seems a bit tedious to me - as John Barnes said how does doing all this improve life for blacks? Did the Colston statue magically turn white folk racist as they walked past it?
Just seems to be some stupid token movement that ultimately achieves sod all.
On slavery itself - its easy to forget that slavery has always been an elites game - the slaves in egypt were poor and owned by the elite, the european slave traders were a minority of elite whites and the black tribe leaders who sold the slaves to the Europeans were you guessed it elite.
Instead of infantile riots and trying to change names of streets maybe people should be educated on the realities of what slavery was throughout the world and how we can help people of all colours who are presently living in poverty/ try to bridge the wealth divide which ultimately is the cause of inequality in the UK.
I know in the USA its different for alot of African Americans who are direct descendants of slavery but I assume a majority of BAME in the UK's origins came from post war Britain from the Empire?
Just seems to be some stupid token movement that ultimately achieves sod all.
On slavery itself - its easy to forget that slavery has always been an elites game - the slaves in egypt were poor and owned by the elite, the european slave traders were a minority of elite whites and the black tribe leaders who sold the slaves to the Europeans were you guessed it elite.
Instead of infantile riots and trying to change names of streets maybe people should be educated on the realities of what slavery was throughout the world and how we can help people of all colours who are presently living in poverty/ try to bridge the wealth divide which ultimately is the cause of inequality in the UK.
I know in the USA its different for alot of African Americans who are direct descendants of slavery but I assume a majority of BAME in the UK's origins came from post war Britain from the Empire?
Okay, there's evidence the labourers were paid, but slavery was very much evident in ancient Egypt. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt.
The pyramids are an iconic symbol of the ancient Egyptian empire.
Are we saying that we should tear down Bluecoat Chambers?
Someone needs to do some digging into John Houldings past. That's definitely a statue that is very dubious.
NilSatisOptimum
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These statues and others don't reflect accurate factual reflection of history, that's the point of the anger, the education of such acts need to be taught along aside the nice bits such as William Wilberforce!
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Disgruntledgoat
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Why don't you suggest to the club that they use some of the exhibition space in the pump tower for that purpose?
Disgruntledgoat
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I agree with this.
We learned in school about Wilberforce and the Royal Navy being used to enforce the abolition of slavery but it was only because I had a decent teacher that we also learned about what came before and why they did that.
The idea that the city of Bristol was going to get around to doing something educational with that statue next week but oh no now you've chucked it in the river is a bit rich given they've had 200 years to address that issue.
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Disgruntledgoat
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Yes, I am wildly ignorant on this issue. I appreciate corrections and learning. Punish me.
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Damn it @Eggs I got into this yesterday on another thread and now you create a thread dedicated to it.. I do not believe history good or bad should be removed, if you want to question one aspect of history just because it's fleetingly a hot media topic, people never heard of this guy up until a few days ago and now want his life forgotten along with all the good he did for Bristol, what he was involved in was seen as normal at the time, you can't can't look at people from the past and hold them to today's standards, if we want to do that we'll have a great many statues to tear down. Queen Victoria she's gone, Drake gone, Churchill rip it down, Nelson at Trafalgar topple it, Cromwell melt it for scrap. I'd go as far as saying that what Victoria did toothed Irish was far worse than anything Colson ever did, a million plus dead another million left the country, starving people evicted from their homes, having the navy intercept aid destined for Ireland from other countries, let's rip down her statues.. nope we can't she's a member of the top 100 greatest Britons of all time. If you are proud of your country's history and all the good the British have done over the centuries like a assume most would be, then the fact is that same history contains some figures who did some good in and for certain areas or indeed the entire country but we're complete tyrants to people in other parts of the then that is still part of history and needs to be remembered. Toppling over the statue has achieved nothing but more people knowing his name.
Disgruntledgoat
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Cromwell is a weird one. He is an important historical figure in terms of the Civil War and prosecution of Charles I, but then he was a murderous, bigoted military dictator afterwards who was so loathed his corpse was dug up and hanged.
Oh and he banned Christmas.
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@Eggs is the best at creating needless threads for topics being discussed elsewhere buddy. our esteemed buddy is paid by thread on here.
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