dead_soft
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Yep, things are different now, so stop celebrating the misdeeds of the past. I can guarantee lots of that protest, and against Rhodes are much more educated than you.
Wanting to examine history is not rewriting it.
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Yep, things are different now, so stop celebrating the misdeeds of the past. I can guarantee lots of that protest, and against Rhodes are much more educated than you.
Wanting to examine history is not rewriting it.
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
Question 1.. Nothing
Question 2.. Nothing
And now it's never going to teach anyone, like I've said on previous posts a plaque with an explanation of what he did would have been a much preferable option, then it would teach, not only now but well into the future, the way it is now it will be forgotten about within a generation a fleeting mention in school history books maybe.
Question 3: absolute we need to keep things we don't like certainly historic symbols, the bad history is as important as the good. Reminds us that humans are not perfect and never have been.
The education has came from discussing the merits of them.
For me, rather than the question being "should we pull them down?", the question should be "how did that come to be there in the first instance?"
Even if the statue educates one person ever, or none at all actually, it doesn't really matter - the point is understanding that they don't venerate someone in the context of the year 2020, but they were venerated at some stage in our history. We have to live with and accept that course of history happened.
Topple the Racists.
Exactly.
Today's society is removing and censoring TV shows because they no longer fit and that's from very recent history.
So the argument is "we'll have to pull down whatever statue we replace it with anyway, so we may as well leave the slave traders there?"
I'm saying, stick them in a museum where they belong and replace them with something or someone more fitting for a public space in the modern era.
OK, so maybe a person will trigger the what-about-ist's too much who start trawling the net for every bad word that person said to justify their point.
Maybe something artistic? I mean, not having the final answer on this point outright doesn't make my initial point wrong, as much as some of you want it to be.
I'm saying, stick them in a museum where they belong and replace them with something or someone more fitting for a public space in the modern era.
OK, so maybe a person will trigger the what-about-ist's too much who start trawling the net for every bad word that person said to justify their point.
Maybe something artistic? I mean, not having the final answer on this point outright doesn't make my initial point wrong, as much as some of you want it to be.
dead_soft
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Were you this annoyed about the Jimmy Saville statue being removed? Or the buildings renamed?
dead_soft
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Should we whack up statues to everything then? If it's the main way we remember? Just seems quite an inefficient way to teach people
FFS again, context. Why are you all incapable of applying it?
It was socially unacceptable to be a pedophile when he was alive and his deeds weren't known about when they were put up. Colston was very well established as a slave trader when he was alive, because it wasn't seen as wrong.
That's the context. They aren't the same thing. Neither is Hitler, Stalin, Hussein and so on.
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Thank you for your reply because you have said two very important things.
1. How dare I offer a different opinion on a matter.
Which is the case for anything these days. Either you agree or you are wrong.
2. You say the people protesting are far more educated than me in these subjects.
Now I can't talk about racism specifically because I have no idea about it. But is it not possible that the majority of people protesting don't know their history? Is it not possible that people are protesting simply as it's what everyone else is doing? It's again assuming that everyone protesting are experts and people who aren't know nothing.
People now are so used to aggressively censoring/removing the platform of anyone they disagree with.
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Slavery was not legal in the UK. There had been plenty of anti-slavery movements.
Hussein was most certainly not seen as all bad in Iraq during his period, nor was Stalin, nor was Hitler
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where have I tried to censor or remove his platform?
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Exactly, this outrage has all the marks of media induced mass histeria.
It is in danger of becoming a cult.
Slave traders from 100s of years ago are part of history.
Modern slavers, people smugglers and dealers in young women for prostitution should be the targets for our discomfort.
But as many are from East Europe, perhaps they don't matter.
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
Nah we don't need to now because we've got video footage and photographic evidence that are primary sources and a much more effective way to teach, with the absence of video and photographic evidence then paintings and statues should be preserved and used to educate.
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