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[edge]

Cheers. I know there isn't a lot of choice out there, but surely not voting at all will play right into the hands of those that are all too willing to ride rough-shod over what you value too? No other parties that you could vote for?
What's your own MP like?

get what your saying orchard, I will vote for an independent or something just because I always vote.
Peter Dowd my mp, never seen him once to be honest, and lived here 12 years, might be wrong but don't think he has tabled a question solely about Sefton that I can recall.
looking at it is it any wonder people are not bothering, can only speak from what I see but over the last thirty years or so, are the people of north Liverpool any better off, less chance of a decent job with any security decent pay ,training, area run down, kids up to there eyes in debt if they show willing to try and better themselves.and no chance of getting a decent house, try going the doctors for an appointment around here,policing education basically the things people see that affect them are not any better whom ever is in power and that includes when Labour were in power.

 

[orchard]

I think it's a widespread issue mate, I don't think the solution will present itself spontaneously though, maybe a new party needs to be formed by the the unrepresented.

get what your saying orchard, I will vote for an independent or something just because I always vote.
Peter Dowd my mp, never seen him once to be honest, and lived here 12 years, might be wrong but don't think he has tabled a question solely about Sefton that I can recall.
looking at it is it any wonder people are not bothering, can only speak from what I see but over the last thirty years or so, are the people of north Liverpool any better off, less chance of a decent job with any security decent pay ,training, area run down, kids up to there eyes in debt if they show willing to try and better themselves.and no chance of getting a decent house, try going the doctors for an appointment around here,policing education basically the things people see that affect them are not any better whom ever is in power and that includes when Labour were in power.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

get what your saying orchard, I will vote for an independent or something just because I always vote.
Peter Dowd my mp, never seen him once to be honest, and lived here 12 years, might be wrong but don't think he has tabled a question solely about Sefton that I can recall.
looking at it is it any wonder people are not bothering, can only speak from what I see but over the last thirty years or so, are the people of north Liverpool any better off, less chance of a decent job with any security decent pay ,training, area run down, kids up to there eyes in debt if they show willing to try and better themselves.and no chance of getting a decent house, try going the doctors for an appointment around here,policing education basically the things people see that affect them are not any better whom ever is in power and that includes when Labour were in power.

I wouldn't wish to diminish any of what you've said, but who are the alternatives? If you want more social conservatism, you either have to go Tories or UKIP, and to be honest, UKIP are so utterly chaotic it's hard to imagine how anyone can take them seriously, even aside from their views.

 

[edge]

I wouldn't wish to diminish any of what you've said, but who are the alternatives? If you want more social conservatism, you either have to go Tories or UKIP, and to be honest, UKIP are so utterly chaotic it's hard to imagine how anyone can take them seriously, even aside from their views.

UKIP are a busted flush, they will be hoping the EU deal is really bad to have any chance of staying relevant , under Nuttall they are as dead as a dodo.
alternatives well that's the big question, cant really see one, Tories have it sown up as the best of a bad bunch to most in the country, although couldn't ever see myself voting for them.
liberals, Tim Farron , the walking sound bite no thanks, Greens not under that aussie dope of a leader don't mind some of there local stuff.
last party manifesto I liked was the now disbanded , British communist party as it had a clear message for change on a big scale, might of just appealed to my liking for a bit of Anarchy every now and agian

 

[1966efc]

Support for the Labour Party is at its lowest level since the 2015 election, according to a new ICM poll for the Guardian.

The latest figures put Labour at 25 per cent, the lowest it has been in this particular, regularly repeated poll at any point since Ed Miliband lost the 2015 election.

Labour has fared worse than the 25 per cent figure in other polls by other polling companies, and the 18 per cent deficit to the Tories on 43 per cent has been higher too, but strictly comparing this poll to previous results, Labour has not fared so badly since 1983.

 

[1966efc]

From The i, today's date.

Lord Robert Hayward, who predicted both the surprise 2015 Tory election victory and the referendum result, forecast that Labour would lose “upwards of 125” of around 1,500 seats that it was defending. Ukip would suffer 80 to 90 losses, more than half of the seats it won four years ago. He predicted more than 100 Tory gains next month and around the same number for the Lib Dems. The SNP’s tally would remain “broadly similar”.

A fall in Labour support on that scale could result in the loss of control in its former citadel of Glasgow, as well as in Lancashire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Cardiff. Lord Hayward said: “It will be a reflection of where the Labour party actually is, which isn’t appealing to its old core of working class voters in the Midlands, North, also Scotland.” His projections mirrored forecasts from prominent psephologists Colin Rallings and Michael Thrasher who predicted 100 Ukip losses and 50 Labour losses alongside 100 Lib Dem gains and 50 Tory gains.

Another polling expert, Professor John Curtice, has said there could be a 12-point swing from Labour to the Conservatives – a projection that shadow Cabinet member Jonathan Ashworth has described as “pretty depressing”.

A performance by Labour on that level would take the party back to its depths of support in the 1980s. Senior party figures have acknowledged that they need up to two more years to rebuild their credibility with the voters.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I despair at some of the horrible wastes of space Blairites that have infiltrated and poisoned the Labour party. Scum like Emily Thornberry sneering at working class people and suggesting that "poor fat people" should be forced to grow their own carrots to eat. This is the real reason Labour are unelectable, you can all blame Jeremy Corbyn (a man who's politics I don't always agree with but never the less respect) all you want but until Labour gets rid of the the anti-working class and sneering elitists that infect the party they will always be unelectable.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I despair at some of the horrible wastes of space Blairites that have infiltrated and poisoned the Labour party. Scum like Emily Thornberry sneering at working class people and suggesting that "poor fat people" should be forced to grow their own carrots to eat. This is the real reason Labour are unelectable, you can all blame Jeremy Corbyn (a man who's politics I don't always agree with but never the less respect) all you want but until Labour gets rid of the the anti-working class and sneering elitists that infect the party they will always be unelectable.

Feels odd me sticking up for Labour, but that isn't what she said, is it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39544692

Video of it here. She says that school meals are a good thing, both in terms of the kind of food children eat, and the act of eating meals as a social event, with both helping to inform children about how to eat healthily (presumably physically and mentally).

As a principle, I can't argue with that (although as a kid school meals were a lot of fast food but that's hopefully changed now), and she then kinda spoiled it with the bizarre comment about the carrot.

It is an important point though. The NHS cannot be sustained so long as people don't take responsibility for their own health more. There are so many issues linked with poor diet, and eating healthily is not an issue of money whatsoever, so I don't think people should be called scum for daring to bring it up.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Feels odd me sticking up for Labour, but that isn't what she said, is it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39544692

Video of it here. She says that school meals are a good thing, both in terms of the kind of food children eat, and the act of eating meals as a social event, with both helping to inform children about how to eat healthily (presumably physically and mentally).

As a principle, I can't argue with that (although as a kid school meals were a lot of fast food but that's hopefully changed now), and she then kinda spoiled it with the bizarre comment about the carrot.

It is an important point though. The NHS cannot be sustained so long as people don't take responsibility for their own health more. There are so many issues linked with poor diet, and eating healthily is not an issue of money whatsoever, so I don't think people should be called scum for daring to bring it up.

It's still patronising BS that I expect from her ilk. How about legitimate opposition to the Conservative governments instead of fighting irrelevant battles (and in the grand scheme of things that was it is).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's still patronising BS that I expect from her ilk. How about legitimate opposition to the Conservative governments instead of fighting irrelevant battles (and in the grand scheme of things that was it is).

Didn't you vote for Brexit?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Didn't you vote for Brexit?

Yes but why exactly would that mean I'd be pro Conservative? You do realise that not wanting to be a part of the Common Market was an argument of the Left long before the Tories hijacked the issue for their own self interest. It's like I've been saying since before the Referendum Bruce, loads of us had wildly different reasons for voting for Brexit.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Didn't you vote for Brexit?

And even if I was a Conservative voter I'd want a ligitimate opposition to hold the Conservatives to account because an unchecked govoment is a useless government.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yes but why exactly would that mean I'd be pro Conservative? You do realise that not wanting to be a part of the Common Market was an argument of the Left long before the Tories hijacked the issue for their own self interest. It's like I've been saying since before the Referendum Bruce, loads of us had wildly different reasons for voting for Brexit.

But that is, and will be, the single biggest issue during the current parliament. All else will be a sideshow at best, and I suspect you would object to the Labour party opposing Brexit?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

But that is, and will be, the single biggest issue during the current parliament. All else will be a sideshow at best, and I suspect you would object to the Labour party opposing Brexit?

The referendum result itself I would massively object to them opposing as that would be extremely undemocratic. The vision of post Brexit once we're out? Oppose away.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

But that is, and will be, the single biggest issue during the current parliament. All else will be a sideshow at best, and I suspect you would object to the Labour party opposing Brexit?

I really don't understand yours and others attitude over democracy. It's like you want to to rid ourselves of it because you'd acheve your goals quicker amd that its nothing short of an inconvince to you! Majority rule is the very essence of democracy.