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"Ordinary people views" are usually what the S*n or the Mail insist that they are. Even something as cast-iron and as oft-cited as Trident renewal apparently is tends to wilt a bit when people are reminded that in essence all we are doing is cutting the effective bits of our military in favour of something that we would only ever actually use when the Yanks let us and when the world is between one and three minutes from ending.

I'll admit though that what you say is what is often said out there - that Corbyn et al are extremists and espouse crazy ideas; the problem is that increasingly it seems that other crazy ideas - like selling off everything that previous generations handed on to us, wrecking the terms and conditions of employment for people, making houses and education unaffordable, entering into bad deals with dodgy governments etc - have become mainstream.
Ordinary peoples view are what get you elected they are in a majority and vote.
The mail ect views on things arnt really that important a lot of people dont come onto contact with them.
I have always voted labour , been a union member all my working life, and local rep and have spent more days on strike than most of the current labour leadership put together for my covictions, but they dont offer me any hope other than they are better than the tories.
I am not voting for them agian till they offer me something more than that.
If labour was getting a clear message out there , on job security, Europe, NHS, immagration,housing all of which it should be doing it wouldnt be in the mess it is now .
It has lost the trust of its tradisional voters and this lot are not giving people any hope that they can get it back.
 
The 1997 manifesto was by far the most left-wing manifesto that Blair ever ran on. It promised, among other things:

- a windfall tax on the privatized utilities
- freedom of information
- an end to the NHS internal market
- building new council homes
- a national volunteer citizens programme
- more money for education

Clever play with words. Bit like saying Thatcher's first manifesto was the most left-wing one she ever ran on.

It may have been the most left-wing of his 3 manifestos, but that's only because the two manifesto's that followed it were firmly centrist, and on many issues, centre-right.
 
If Corbyn stood down, and a decent leader who is a moderate with a known named cabinet came forwards the orposed austerity proposed by the Tories since their shock win last week !
In 2020' Labour may have a chance with corybyn hanging on no chance!
 
If Corbyn stood down, and a decent leader who is a moderate with a known named cabinet came forwards the orposed austerity proposed by the Tories since their shock win last week !
In 2020' Labour may have a chance with corybyn hanging on no chance!

Isn't that the exact strategy that was tried and failed in 2015?

Look around, social democracy is dying a painful death all around the western world.
 
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Good read. I like you was overjoyed when Corbyn got the gig- probably through naivity more than anything else I thought he could transform the shape of politics in this country. However, it really has just been business as usual with the Tories rampant and Labour looking clueless.

I happen to believe the end is nigh for Corbyn, or at least it should be. His brand is damaged beyond repair, in your average voter's eyes he is unelectable- there's no coming back from that.

Labour have got to start being more radical/innovative. Yes, these age old arguments on welfare and the NHS ring true for the likes of me and you but your average voter seemingly doesn't care to listen to what Labour is saying on these issues. We as a party have to got come up with something that will grab people's attention and make them feel like a Labour government can improve this country. Wish I had the answers but I don't.

Labour could also do a lot worse than look at how Bernie Sanders' team uses social media. Left wing populism has never looked so good than when someone from his team is filling my newsfeed. He's certainly captured a mood over there, which is exactly what Labour need to do here.
 
Responsibility for Labours current woes is IMO and equal split (a third each) between the biased media, the failure of the party to rally round and support Corbyn (the Tories always rally round at election times at least), and Corbyns own rubbishness (despite the biased media) at getting across to the public what should be some very attractive policies
 
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"I blame this, in part, to the excessive hostility toward the mainstream media. This has resulted in a lack of means to send out a clear message to to the electorate. If you look at some of the leadership’s biggest criticizers, they are constantly making headlines due to a effective media presence. Imagine how effectual similar methods of communication could be in spreading our alternative vision for the country? For us to win power, we need to utilise the means available to us — and that doesn’t just surround the (undeniable) power of social media."

What utter BS that is. As if the main stream media rats can be utilised to put forward policies that upset their neo-liberal owners.

Noddy level analysis.
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, the member for Exeter:

Mr Bradshaw also defended Mr Blair over the Iraq war and said the public should trust the former PM now that he is re-engaging in political debate.

“The Chilcot inquiry completely exonerated Tony Blair of all of the mad allegations that were thrown at him,” he said. “I think that quite unfairly and without any evidence there is a section of the British public that don’t like Tony Blair.

“We’ve got to get over this nonsense about Iraq – just look at Syria where we didn’t intervene, it’s far worse, far more people died, far more refugees and no solution in sight. In Iraq you now have a functioning democracy and it is beating back Isis.”

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Not entirely sure who the Labour Party are meant to appeal to these days me.

It seems, post Brexit, that swathes of their "Traditional" heartlands totally bewildered the Islington set by voting "Leave". They have managed to marginalise themselves in Scotland, which is no mean feat.

They really ought to get out of their VI Form debating society mode, which this neutral observer sees them as, and actually decide exactly what they now mean.

And endlessly parroting "The nasty Tories will destroy the NHS" just doesnt cut the mustard, cos most folk dont actually believe it.

Just my tuppence anyrate.
 
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