I think any genuine labour supporter be they inside or outside the party , a member , a voter or even leading it need to seriously think about their position . This is a horrific result and an a effective opposition has to be effective , whether due to anyone of a myriad of reasons including the attitude of the media it seems corbyn just simply isn't connecting with the greater British public.
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Only one labour leader has won an election over the last 38 years and he won it from a central footing... maybe it is time to accept that is where the votes are or be happy with a socialist ideology but in perpetual opposition (I suspect this is where most labour members are)
Corbyn doesn't know the answers and the public don't know the right questions to ask, due to the 'information ( true false and maybe) overload'.
Disappointing, sure, but it's hardly a safe seat is it? The damage was done long before Corbyn arrived. Even if he were to resign, which I don't think he should, Labour would be no better off come the next general election. It's true that he perhaps doesn't connect with the general public, his ideas are spot on in my opinion, and in the long term that is how we gain back power. Corbyn needs to weather the storm to ensure his eventual successor is a true socialist and not another one of Mandelson's goons.
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It's a rather easy position, I prefer Corbyns Labour over Mays Conservatives, Nuttals Ukip or the Liberals. If others don't that's their choice. Labour under Corbyn has been effective over a number of issues, however, the leadership questions needed to be put to bed.
Labour is going through a process of realigning itself to the centre left and long over due. Corbyn won the democratic right to lead that realignment twice over. More than happy for him continue.
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yep...but there are still many deluded members who genuinely think they can persuade people to vote for a left wing candidate, it just wont happen!
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bring the ghost on
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I prefer it to, but only as the best of a bad bunch. I'd feel a lot better if Labour was actually able to create a credible opposition to challenge the Government during one of the most important periods in modern history.
There is no way I'd ever vote for the Tories and ukip are not something I'd even consider . Corbyn has won two leadership elections that's not up for debate and I'd suggest getting your support or mine at the ballot box probably isn't either .
The problem is , and I think it's difficult to deny , he's simply not connecting with the electorate as a whole . I'd suggest the hatchet job the media have done since day one has played its part , although the Eu debacle has certainly undermined him. So what's the plan ? I'm not saying he needs to go but I think people need to have a serious conversation, not a coup and not a party split but we need to think about the future of the party and the country .
Make no mistake how the Tories will read this result they'll see this as a green light to continue unfettered, I'm worried about where we'll be after the next election if I'm honest . Not for me , I'm secure in lots of ways , but for the vulnerable sections of society because we all know what the future holds and just winning riverside and other urban northern seats simply isn't going to stop that .
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Labour = lowlife !!
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...Said Theresa May and every other member of the Tory party.
I'm no Labour supporter, but even I'll wince at their obliteration in 2020 under Corbyn. It's not going to be pretty and millions of people will be left without real representation.
As Trump would say, "SAD!".
...his strategy/policies only pamper to the minority and unfortunately Labour will be in permanent opposition until it moves to the centre ground. Mandleson and his 'goons' made Labour electable, somebody else has to find a way of doing so. Under these policies Labour will be humiliated at the next election, choosing another Corbynite following that defeat will mean a further defeat 5 years on.
Surely it's better change now. Put the inevitable Corbynite successor in, get heavily defeated at the next election and then members will realise that policy change is required.
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The main problem facing Labour is that the grassroots movement to keep Corbyn leader is essentially keeping the Tories in power, unchallenged.
Whilst Labour Party membership is at 540,000, those are 540,000 staunch Corbynistas, who are supporting a leadership that is a major turn off to many Labour voters in the rest of the country.
Corbynistas seem to think that as long as they have 'a decent man' as leader, that this is okay and if it means not being in power, so be it.
Everyone else is of the opinion that, well, what's the point of a political party if it's not in power, or at the very least, striving to achieve power?
So Labour will lose traditional safe seats like Copeland, and the Corbynistas will claim everything's fine and an on-track. Meanwhile everyone is bracing themselves for Labour to be devastated in the General Election. By which point it will be too late to rescue, and we'll be at least 10+ years into Tory rule by that point, with another 5 years to follow.
Ultimately I think the party will split, because there's two groups of people with two entirely different outlooks. Compromise isn't in Corbyn's vocabulary and unfortunately, to get into power, you need to compromise.
Whilst Labour Party membership is at 540,000, those are 540,000 staunch Corbynistas, who are supporting a leadership that is a major turn off to many Labour voters in the rest of the country.
Corbynistas seem to think that as long as they have 'a decent man' as leader, that this is okay and if it means not being in power, so be it.
Everyone else is of the opinion that, well, what's the point of a political party if it's not in power, or at the very least, striving to achieve power?
So Labour will lose traditional safe seats like Copeland, and the Corbynistas will claim everything's fine and an on-track. Meanwhile everyone is bracing themselves for Labour to be devastated in the General Election. By which point it will be too late to rescue, and we'll be at least 10+ years into Tory rule by that point, with another 5 years to follow.
Ultimately I think the party will split, because there's two groups of people with two entirely different outlooks. Compromise isn't in Corbyn's vocabulary and unfortunately, to get into power, you need to compromise.
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what annoys me is how people go on about corbyn being authentic, so what? look at what he done in his life(from wiki so y'know)
Returning to the UK in 1971, he worked as an official for the National Union of Tailors and Garment Workers.[13] Corbyn began a course in Trade Union Studies at North London Polytechnic but left after a series of arguments with his tutors over the curriculum. He worked as a trade union organiser for the National Union of Public Employees and Amalgamated Engineering and Electrical Union,[13][17][21] where his union was approached by Tony Benn and "encouraged ... to produce a blueprint for workers' control of British Leyland"; the plans did not proceed after Benn was moved to a different Department.[22]
He was appointed a member of a district health authority and in early 1974, at the age of 24, he was elected to Haringey Council in South Hornsey ward.[23]After boundary changes in 1978 he was re-elected in Harringay ward as councillor, remaining so until 1983.[9][24] As a delegate from Hornsey to the Labour Party conference in 1978, Corbyn successfully moved a motion calling for dentists to be employed by the NHS rather than private contractors.[25] He also spoke in another debate, describing a motion calling for greater support for law and order as "more appropriate to the National Front than to the Labour Party
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Returning to the UK in 1971, he worked as an official for the National Union of Tailors and Garment Workers.[13] Corbyn began a course in Trade Union Studies at North London Polytechnic but left after a series of arguments with his tutors over the curriculum. He worked as a trade union organiser for the National Union of Public Employees and Amalgamated Engineering and Electrical Union,[13][17][21] where his union was approached by Tony Benn and "encouraged ... to produce a blueprint for workers' control of British Leyland"; the plans did not proceed after Benn was moved to a different Department.[22]
He was appointed a member of a district health authority and in early 1974, at the age of 24, he was elected to Haringey Council in South Hornsey ward.[23]After boundary changes in 1978 he was re-elected in Harringay ward as councillor, remaining so until 1983.[9][24] As a delegate from Hornsey to the Labour Party conference in 1978, Corbyn successfully moved a motion calling for dentists to be employed by the NHS rather than private contractors.[25] He also spoke in another debate, describing a motion calling for greater support for law and order as "more appropriate to the National Front than to the Labour Party
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I don't want to spin it, and neither should those further up in the Labour hierarchy.
Losing a seat in a by-election to a government that has been in power for 7 years is a awful result. No ifs or buts. It's a sad indictment of how bad things are that we're celebrating that we only lost one of the two seats on offer.
That being said, it's too easy to call for Corbyn to resign - the simple fact being that he simply will not.
So I ask of you, if you feel strongly about the NHS, the preservation of our public services and the future of our country - please join the Labour Party. We need you, your support and your input more than ever.
Losing a seat in a by-election to a government that has been in power for 7 years is a awful result. No ifs or buts. It's a sad indictment of how bad things are that we're celebrating that we only lost one of the two seats on offer.
That being said, it's too easy to call for Corbyn to resign - the simple fact being that he simply will not.
So I ask of you, if you feel strongly about the NHS, the preservation of our public services and the future of our country - please join the Labour Party. We need you, your support and your input more than ever.
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