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[zzr45]

You stated Labour are encouraging teen pregnancies,when it is less than 2% of single parents,you then state that you know this through witnessing it,teen pregnancies have been dropping since a high between 1971 and 1974,when a certain Ted Heath was PM,you keep stating things as fact when they blatantly arent true,maybe we should take the children off them,give them a cardboard box and a corner on Shiel road, for the first time ever on here I am using the ignore function,you spout absolute nonsense and reek of old spice and right wing fume bye

A)No I didn't - but removing the restrictions on the housing benefit to allow under 21's to claim is an incentive for 'kids to have kids' to 'get a free house.'

which

B) Was something that was an absolute worry round my parts in the past, to the point where we had special assemblies at school to warn of us the dangers

that was during

C) A time when the teenage pregancy was at a plateau - during the last Labour Government. It coincidentally dropped when the housing benefits changes were made.

and that wasn't even the main thrust of the arguement, more the fact it seems utterly insane that people can once again not contribute, or can have a lifestyle funded by benefits (If Labour got in) at the expense of people that are working hard running small businesses which actually contribute to society.

But don't worry, you won't see this as you've ignored me - If you've worked out how to use that button as it seems you have difficulty understanding things.

 

[Groucho]

Do you feel clever holding onto money that could save lives, is that what socialism is to you.....

But socialism is what essentially makes the NHS (when funded properly) what it is.

That saves lives. Many lives daily.

 

[WycombeToffee]

What may be superficial to you is a better life for many. Of course there are flaws in some of the proposals but at least there are decent principles behind them, things society should all be working towards.

Tory economics and self serving has screwed Ireland for decades. Never mind just managed decline, we also had facilitated war.

You talk about "a better life for many", but the policies that intend to do that will end up doing the complete opposite. What will you be thinking when the Labour government is in so much debt it can't afford to fund any of these proposals anymore, unemployment rockets as all businesses leave a failing country, and local economies lose out through huge decreases in disposable income for its customer base? Add uncontrollable inflation too, as this will surely be caused by QE. What looks amazing ends up being the opposite.

After this complete hypothetical mess, no doubt another Tory government will be voted in based on responsible spending (i.e. cuts to these plans) and the same people will scream that the Tories are evil and hate the NHS/disabled/children/poor people, and the rich are the only ones benefitting, even in the face of contrary evidence. And the cycle continues.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

You talk about "a better life for many", but the policies that intend to do that will end up doing the complete opposite. What will you be thinking when the Labour government is in so much debt it can't afford to fund any of these proposals anymore, unemployment rockets as all businesses leave a failing country, and local economies lose out through huge decreases in disposable income for its customer base? Add uncontrollable inflation too, as this will surely be caused by QE. What looks amazing ends up being the opposite.

After this complete hypothetical mess, no doubt another Tory government will be voted in based on responsible spending (i.e. cuts to these plans) and the same people will scream that the Tories are evil and hate the NHS/disabled/children/poor people, and the rich are the only ones benefitting, even in the face of contrary evidence. And the cycle continues.

First off, I don't vote Labour.

Secondly, I have said that the manifesto is flawed and previously that Corbyn is unelectable.

Thirdly, unemployment will rocket in Ireland due to Theresa's Brexit and I refuse to believe that this was ever a consideration for her or her party.

Fourthly, the politician Tories chose to send here to be Secretary of State and represent all of us has proudly displayed his political preference regardless of how damaging this has been to our own government. Has this been a Tory concern? No, we are sufficiently far from London.

I re-iterate that I believe Corbyn's manifesto to be flawed in application although his will to improve lives is clear. Given the impact of Tory's in my country, can you blame me for opposing them?

 

[WycombeToffee]

First off, I don't vote Labour.

Secondly, I have said that the manifesto is flawed and previously that Corbyn is unelectable.

Thirdly, unemployment will rocket in Ireland due to Theresa's Brexit and I refuse to believe that this was ever a consideration for her or her party.

Fourthly, the politician Tories chose to send here to be Secretary of State and represent all of us has proudly displayed his political preference regardless of how damaging this has been to our own government. Has this been a Tory concern? No, we are sufficiently far from London.

I re-iterate that I believe Corbyn's manifesto to be flawed in application although his will to improve lives is clear. Given the impact of Tory's in my country, can you blame me for opposing them?

I know next to nothing about Northern Irish politics so I can't really comment on that. I agree with your second point, but your third intrigues me. If Brexit does lead to a rocketing of unemployment in NI (which it may) then why should people support someone who would just worsen the situation even further? I know you say you don't vote Labour so that isn't directly addressed to you.
Finally, whilst I do believe that Corbyn intends to improve people's lives, it isn't really enough. It is about whether his policies actually do. And his policies would worsen them. However, I can see where you're coming from, especially about representation in Westminster, etc, and why you wouldn't vote Tory.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I know next to nothing about Northern Irish politics so I can't really comment on that. I agree with your second point, but your third intrigues me. If Brexit does lead to a rocketing of unemployment in NI (which it may) then why support someone who would just worsen the situation even further?
Finally, whilst I do believe that Corbyn intends to improve people's lives, it isn't really enough. It is about whether his policies actually do. And his policies would worsen them. However, I can see where you're coming from, especially about representation in Westminster, etc, and why you wouldn't vote Tory.

Politics for me is local. I will vote for the person who will deliver in the local area and I have switched votes on that very basis before.

In terms of what is best nationally in my lifetime then that has to be Labour. Blair addressed paramilitaries, Orangeism and was an important part in securing the Good Friday Agreement. Major directly before him courted votes in Parliament and almost jeopardised the first real chance of peace in generations for his own political purposes.

To book end this, I have neither Labour nor Tory candidates in my constituency. A perineal watching brief.

 

[tsubaki]

After this complete hypothetical mess, no doubt another Tory government will be voted in based on responsible spending (i.e. cuts to these plans) and the same people will scream that the Tories are evil and hate the NHS/disabled/children/poor people, and the rich are the only ones benefitting, even in the face of contrary evidence. And the cycle continues.

Anyone reading that would think people weren't using food-banks in record numbers, or that ever increasing numbers of people don't find themselves in poverty despite working, or that the NHS isn't at the point of collapse, or that the prison suicide rate hasn't skyrocketed since 2010, or that they haven't borrowed another half a trillion pound.

They might also be surprised to find that the people responsible are getting hundreds of thousands of pounds a year for jobs that they are demonstrably unqualified for, and have been spending twenty grand plus on a shed.

 

[Moomin]

A)No I didn't - but removing the restrictions on the housing benefit to allow under 21's to claim is an incentive for 'kids to have kids' to 'get a free house.'

which

B) Was something that was an absolute worry round my parts in the past, to the point where we had special assemblies at school to warn of us the dangers

that was during

C) A time when the teenage pregancy was at a plateau - during the last Labour Government. It coincidentally dropped when the housing benefits changes were made.

and that wasn't even the main thrust of the arguement, more the fact it seems utterly insane that people can once again not contribute, or can have a lifestyle funded by benefits (If Labour got in) at the expense of people that are working hard running small businesses which actually contribute to society.

But don't worry, you won't see this as you've ignored me - If you've worked out how to use that button as it seems you have difficulty understanding things.

Teenage pregnancy was at its highest in 1998.

“It’s the result of an unusually long-term and ambitious strategy launched by the Labour government in 1999,” said Alison Hadley, director of the Teenage Pregnancy Knowledge Exchange at the University of Bedfordshire. “The drive to reduce teenage pregnancy was given 10 years to achieve a 50% fall in under-18 conception rates. Unusually for government schemes, efforts really were sustained for the full 10 years and ambitions weren’t lowered, despite difficulties and slow progress at the start.”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....teenage-pregnancy-rate-public-health-strategy

 

[Armel]

I'm ambivalent really, but think that a) good management matters more than whether something is public or private, and b) we should be using evidence to support decisions where possible rather than doctrine.

If you're interested, you can find loads of facts, figures, studies and pointers on http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/rail/studies/rail_en .

 

[Joey66]

The manifesto has numerous policies that will in the mainstay appeal to the masses and some, at least in theory, are hard to argue against.

My main issue is that it's not as easy to balance good principles and populist pledges with the reality of the actual cost of implementing them.

Or its like asking your dad for a porsche for your 18th birthday or he offers you it and it's back at the receivers in a month!

 

[peteblue]

But socialism is what essentially makes the NHS (when funded properly) what it is.

That saves lives. Many lives daily.

Yes but it needs money, and this guy owes the state thousands, to pay for the NHS, yet refuses to pay it back because ' he has a contract' to pay it back slowly. For me, if you owe money pay it back. If you owe it to the state, pack it back immediately.......

 

[Groucho]

Yes but it needs money, and this guy owes the state thousands, to pay for the NHS, yet refuses to pay it back because ' he has a contract' to pay it back slowly. For me, if you owe money pay it back. If you owe it to the state, pack it back immediately.......

Or if huge corporations had actually paid their taxes......

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Teenage pregnancy was at its highest in 1998.

“It’s the result of an unusually long-term and ambitious strategy launched by the Labour government in 1999,” said Alison Hadley, director of the Teenage Pregnancy Knowledge Exchange at the University of Bedfordshire. “The drive to reduce teenage pregnancy was given 10 years to achieve a 50% fall in under-18 conception rates. Unusually for government schemes, efforts really were sustained for the full 10 years and ambitions weren’t lowered, despite difficulties and slow progress at the start.”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....teenage-pregnancy-rate-public-health-strategy

@zzr45 are you going to apologise and admit you were wrong?
Demonising people on benefits when you haven't a clue what you're talking about is absolutely vintage Tory behaviour.
Take a bow son

 

[peteblue]

Or if huge corporations had actually paid their taxes......

Indeed, we should all pay what we owe, especially those that demand that the government pays for all sorts....

 

[Groucho]

Indeed, we should all pay what we owe, especially those that demand that the government pays for all sorts....

Even more so the likes of Gary Barlow.