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[gonetomorrow]

I had the same attitude, no way did I want the worry mum and dad had in the 80s with Tory mismanagement with all things housing. Until the kids came along then I started thinking, legacy.
Owning a home should always be an aspiration that's achievable for the majority.

OK but "affordable housing" should be available for all.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

OK but "affordable housing" should be available for all.

Of course, but it will have to be journey and not over 5 years can't just take waz over people and their mortgages, they have managed to achieve despite incredible difficult market. Not only is it unjust it would be political suicide.

 

[Blues Harp]

The PLP need to be able to choose their leader, because that's their day to day job and they need a leader that has the confidence of them in parliament to win elections. The electorate choose their MPs in the first instance via vote - that's democracy. OMOV means you just get reactionary infiltration of the voting system and you end up with stupid leaders like Corbyn. Arguing something is only democratic if everyone has an equal vote at all levels is silly - it's like saying there should be a referendum on everything instead of votes in parliament.

The fact is the weight of vote importance should be geared towards the PLP.

Not that it matters, as per usual the unions and membership have torpedoed it and give themselves yet another punch to the face. It's amazing the amount of self-harm Labour has done itself in the last five years. And, of course, that's the problem now - people don't trust them and see them as a bunch of ideological incompetent morons. The stain of Corbyn will take years to wash off, if it ever does, and the Tories have free reign in the interim.

Schrodinger's Labour
A centrist party which tells all its left wingers to feck right off.
And at the same time wants them all to vote for them and their policies.

 

[Tubey]

Schrodinger's Labour
A centrist party which tells all its left wingers to feck right off.
And at the same time wants them all to vote for them and their policies.

No, it's saying win the argument. If you want left wing MPs, stand more for election and don't vote for those who don't stand for what you want. If left wing MPs are popular, they'll be elected democratically. This already happened: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...ns-unite-momentum_uk_5dcd737be4b0a794d1fc1071

The problem is, Labour got thrashed as people generally wanted nothing to do with them.

Don't artificially elect an extreme left wing leader of a PLP that isn't remotely close to being extreme left wing, because then you get Corbyn, the resultant disconnect and unelectability. You need a system that reflects the electorate, not the membership.

 

[Blues Harp]

No, it's saying win the argument. If you want left wing MPs, stand more for election and don't vote for those who don't stand for what you want. If left wing MPs are popular, they'll be elected democratically. This already happened: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...ns-unite-momentum_uk_5dcd737be4b0a794d1fc1071

The problem is, Labour got thrashed as people generally wanted nothing to do with them.

Don't artificially elect an extreme left wing leader of a PLP that isn't remotely close to being extreme left wing, because then you get Corbyn, the resultant disconnect and unelectability. You need a system that reflects the electorate, not the membership.

The election was won on "get Brexit done" aided overwhelmingly by the right wing media and their bias and hatred of anything remotely resembling socialist policies.

 

[Tubey]

The election was won on "get Brexit done" aided overwhelmingly by the right wing media and their bias and hatred of anything remotely resembling socialist policies.

That's what the electorate wanted. Instead of moaning about it, up your game - don't rig a leadership contest to artificially put someone as leader that has a snowballs chance in hell of appealing to the electorate. If you do, you'll make your membership happy, sure. You'll be in a nice little echo chamber... and then get flattened in every election.

Labour is supposed to have aspirations of being a party in power, not a party of protest. That has been forgotten in recent years; it's all ideology over pragmatism.

 

[Chewbacca]

That's what the electorate wanted. Instead of moaning about it, up your game - don't rig a leadership contest to artificially put someone as leader that has a snowballs chance in hell of appealing to the electorate. If you do, you'll make your membership happy, sure. You'll be in a nice little echo chamber... and then get flattened in every election.

Labour is supposed to have aspirations of being a party in power, not a party of protest. That has been forgotten in recent years; it's all ideology over pragmatism.

Because of course the Tories haven’t been putting ideology ahead of common sense at all recently have they?

 

[Tubey]

Because of course the Tories haven’t been putting ideology ahead of common sense at all recently have they?

'course they have, but the country is naturally centre-right, so the more Labour go bananas, the more the Tories can without consequences. Indeed, the Tories got in power by pretending to be New Labour under Cameron.

There's been no effective opposition since arguably Gordon Brown, maybe not even him - you have to go back to Blair. 14 years of gradually getting worse and worse.

Starmer doesn't seem the man to turn that round, but Labour's best hope of ending Tory rule (which should be the actual aim of anyone who votes Labour) is to back him and pivot away from the unelectable, chaotic left wing.

 

[Blues Harp]

'course they have, but the country is naturally centre-right, so the more Labour go bananas, the more the Tories can without consequences. Indeed, the Tories got in power by pretending to be New Labour under Cameron.

There's been no effective opposition since arguably Gordon Brown, maybe not even him - you have to go back to Blair. 14 years of gradually getting worse and worse.

Starmer doesn't seem the man to turn that round, but Labour's best hope of ending Tory rule (which should be the actual aim of anyone who votes Labour) is to back him and pivot away from the unelectable, chaotic left wing.

Most of the Starmtroopers in the PLP wouldn't look out of place in the tory party

 

[Aberblue]

'course they have, but the country is naturally centre-right, so the more Labour go bananas, the more the Tories can without consequences. Indeed, the Tories got in power by pretending to be New Labour under Cameron.

There's been no effective opposition since arguably Gordon Brown, maybe not even him - you have to go back to Blair. 14 years of gradually getting worse and worse.

Starmer doesn't seem the man to turn that round, but Labour's best hope of ending Tory rule (which should be the actual aim of anyone who votes Labour) is to back him and pivot away from the unelectable, chaotic left wing.

While I'm not a Labour voter, I just can't see any reason to back Starmer. Whatever his qualities, he is manifestly not a leader.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Starmer is what Duncan Smith was to the Tories, a process. Democratically has won the right to take Labour into an election.

Listened to full disclosure by James O'Brien with Angela Rayner this week, what a life she is the lesson no matter who the Labour leader is it's best vehicle for social mobility. No doubt!

 

[degsy]

The election was won on "get Brexit done" aided overwhelmingly by the right wing media and their bias and a hatred of anything remotely resembling socialist policies.

Which many of those pesky interfering voters weren't to keen on either...or so an 80 seat majority mjght indicate

 

[Number_25]

Says a lot about the current leadership when the S*n is welcomed to conference with open arms but the sale of any remotely left leaning materials are strictly prohibited.

 

[Eggs]

...unlikely to happen but important for the Labour Party to change the ruling on leader selection so the power rests with MPs.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What a scumbag...