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[coollino]

He belongs in a 1980s sitcom.
Horrible human

It genuinely could be down to his hair and his name. I'm going to have to write a thesis on this.

'Johnson is never bWOKEn'

 

[PaulPowersTash]

You make absolutely no sense. You're definitely one of those who held up a 'Thank You Sheikh Mansour' banner

I didn't. But I most certainly would given the chance.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Johnson definitely benefits some kind of 'Oh, Boris!' factor if he does something he shouldn't.

I can't really describe what I mean but I can't think of anyone else who has that kind of aura.

It's called Charisma. Some people can get away with absolutely anything. He's one of them.
He's been like that all his life. Not saying its good or correct. It's just how it is.

 

[Lapeno77]

Thirdly, why were they taking these in to the voting booth and not Johnson's comments about foreigners or Muslims? Grenfell? Johnson defending Prince Andrew?

The delivery method? Fairly certain that at least 4 out of those 5 images were via social media outlets not your traditional Murdoch/ Dacre outlets.

Social media is free, easily available and spread by your friends and family. On a subconscious level, you believe it more.

 

[Tree13]

The public trust the media portrayal of the Tories more than they trust the media portrayal of Labour.

The media is owned by Tories

I can see exactly what you mean in your first sentence, and I think you're spot on.

The second bit (highlighted) gets trotted out repeatedly, but contradicts the fact that the Mirror, the Star, the Guardian, Channel 4 and the BBC are clearly NOT owned by Tories.

Can it really be as simple as "people who see through the media lies vote Labour, and people who DON'T vote Labour can't see through media lies"? And even if it is, the best approach to changing this surely isn't just telling the electorate they are thick racists if they don't vote for Labour... is it?

 

[peteblue]

I can see exactly what you mean in your first sentence, and I think you're spot on.

The second bit (highlighted) gets trotted out repeatedly, but contradicts the fact that the Mirror, the Star, the Guardian, Channel 4 and the BBC are clearly NOT owned by Tories.

Can it really be as simple as "people who see through the media lies vote Labour, and people who DON'T vote Labour can't see through media lies"? And even if it is, the best approach to changing this surely isn't just telling the electorate they are thick racists if they don't vote for Labour... is it?

Plus GMB seems to be an official Labour Party TV programme lately.....

 

[Tree13]

Ignoring the media and the supposed views of the public do all these make Labour unfit for office as individual events?

Secondly, which of these do you think most voters were taking in to the voting booth?

Thirdly, why were they taking these in to the voting booth and not Johnson's comments about foreigners or Muslims? Grenfell? Johnson defending Prince Andrew?

These are really good questions, and I'd love to know what answers other people would give.

From my POV:

1) Can they be taken as individual events? Is it realistic to expect the public to view them as entirely separate and not linked in any way? Is it likely that the average undecided voter would assess them as a collection of events which collectively point towards the motives and aspirations of the Labour party?

2) Going by the results, a significant proportion of the electorate will have taken more than one of these images into the booth with them. The only one I hadn't seen before was the FB screengrab - didn't Labour post the first two on their own social media channels?

3) THIS. This is the question the Labour party should be asking, and seeking to answer. I would love to better understand what motivates people of all ilks to vote the way they do.

 

[peteblue]

It's called Charisma. Some people can get away with absolutely anything. He's one of them.
He's been like that all his life. Not saying its good or correct. It's just how it is.

Indeed, there is enough misery in our lives as it is, the last thing anyone needs is a Starmer, Corbyn, Miliband or Brown, or a May.....

 

[Prevenger17]

Indeed, there is enough misery in our lives as it is, the last thing anyone needs is a Starmer, Corbyn, Miliband or Brown, or a May.....

Any one of them would be an infinitely more competent PM than Bojo the Clown, and that is the biggest insult I could level at him

 

[tsubaki]

Is it?

If so, what's the explanation for the Labour party's results in the last GE, and the local government elections earlier this week?

I'm not seeking an argument, or to try to "prove you wrong"; I'd genuinely like to know why you think the recent results turned out the way they did if you DON'T feel that "The public trust the Tories more than they do Labour" is an accurate / valid / complete explanation.

Because trust is no longer something we expect from most politicians; that’s why someone like Johnson is in charge now.

 

[tsubaki]

Just like the Guardian then?

yes

 

[anxiouswarrior]

People commenting that Bullingdon has charisma and aura about him jesus wept he does have an aura and rancid stench about thats for sure , how anybody can support this eton puppet is beyond me , him and his shower of spivs and chancers fooling working class people into voting for them , this so called levelling up drivel and garbage that they keep spouting , lets see the reality of it in a few years, mind you they have spent 40 years destroying the country and selling of its assets

 

[davek]

Jo Cox’s sister confirms she wants to stand for Labour in Batley and Spen

Kim Leadbeater puts herself forward for crucial byelection in Yorkshire constituency where Cox was killed

www.theguardian.com

If Labour choose her as candidate in that by-election it shows how pathetic Starmer is. Hiding behind a hoped for sympathy vote for Jo Cox's sister.

They truly are bankrupt.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Jo Cox’s sister confirms she wants to stand for Labour in Batley and Spen

Kim Leadbeater puts herself forward for crucial byelection in Yorkshire constituency where Cox was killed

www.theguardian.com

If Labour choose her as candidate in that by-election it shows how pathetic Starmer is. Hiding behind a hoped for sympathy vote for Jo Cox's sister.

They truly are bankrupt.

And on this one we agree.
It would be shameful.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

When the Labour Party leadership realise the election is a popularity contest and not a moral decision then we might stand a chance.
I think those in ‘middle England’ that apparently decide the election don’t see institutional racism as an issue, or food banks or homelessness. The Tory party sell an idea of (false) aspiration and a positive outlook. Labour today focus on issues for minorities, inequality and discrimination, wholehearted moral values, but not what the centre want to vote for.