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davek said:
There isn't a political commentator left or right who wouldn't describe the LPs comeback in 2017 as anything other than stunning.

And you ignore every explanation as to why that didn't transfer into power - massive interests inside and outside the LP working together to deny the victory.

You are preposterous.
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You've subtly changed your tune, I see. We've gone from a 'stunning result' to a 'stunning comeback'. Did Labour perform better than expected? Absolutely. Does that constitute a 'stunning result'? Well, no, because the result was another Labour loss. Quite how a loss can be defined as stunning is beyond me.
 
davek said:
Who needed a Labour Government carrying out the Corbyn era manifesto: workers, the unemployed, the homeless, the environment, the disabled, the sick...
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Dont know how to break this to you. But they wouldnt get you elected.

Which one are you for example?
 
Mrk said:
You've subtly changed your tune, I see. We've gone from a 'stunning result' to a 'stunning comeback'. Did Labour perform better than expected? Absolutely. Does that constitute a 'stunning result'? Well, no, because the result was another Labour loss. Quite how a loss can be defined as stunning is beyond me.
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No, I haven't made any subtle change: it was a stunning result. For all the reasons I mentioned.

Win/loss. You're analysis is primitive.
 
roydo said:
Dont know how to break this to you. But they wouldnt get you elected.

Which one are you for example?
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Lol. You're not breaking anything to me. You're just plain wrong. You dont think workers alone dont constitute the bulk of the electorate?

Me? I'm part time.

Oh yeah, they'd get those too.
 
davek said:
Lol. You're not breaking anything to me. You're just plain wrong. You dont think workers alone dont constitute the bulk of the electorate?

Me? I'm part time.

Oh yeah, they'd get those too.
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didn’t work last election David, his manifesto was so good he actually drive working class people to the tories

great stuff Jezza
 
davek said:
No, I haven't made any subtle change: it was a stunning result. For all the reasons I mentioned.

Win/loss. You're analysis is primitive.
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Well I think the fact that you deem Labour losing their third election in a row to the worst PM in recent history a stunning result shows just how little faith you had in Corbyn. It’s a shame moral victories don’t do anything for the people who need a Labour government, really.
 
nsno-chris said:
didn’t work last election David, his manifesto was so good he actually drive working class people to the tories

great stuff Jezza
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The Brexit election...when everyone was talking about...erm...Brexit...and traditonal Labour voters all over the country wanted to get out of the EU...and Starmer and his cronies stamped their feet wanting to drag the LP into a Remain position and thus alienating all those traditional Labour voters?

That's what was rejected.

And guess what...now that daft get Starmer is in charge they're rejecting him again for the lightweight he is.
 
davek said:
The Brexit election...when everyone was talking about...erm...Brexit...and traditonal Labour voters all over the country wanted to get out of the EU...and Starmer and his cronies stamped their feet wanting to drag the LP into a Remain position and thus alienating all those traditional Labour voters?

That's what was rejected.

And guess what...now that daft get Starmer is in charge they're rejecting him again for the lightweight he is.
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So when Corbyn loses, it's everyones fault other than his.

When Starmer loses, it's because of Starmer.

Right.
 
davek said:
There isn't a political commentator left or right who wouldn't describe the LPs comeback in 2017 as anything other than stunning.

And you ignore every explanation as to why that didn't transfer into power - massive interests inside and outside the LP working together to deny the victory.

Take a bow, you are preposterous.
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That's akin to describing a boxer getting beat by one of the worst boxers in history as stunning. I'd agree if you were coming from the position of 'how the hell did he manage to lose to that' but it's clear that you are not.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
In what respect? Are you suggesting that that the respondent's line of thinking was not their own?
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Yes, in that almost all of those critiques are based on how Corbyn (or Labour) was reported rather than individuals reviewing and assessing of the circumstances. Look at this bit for example:

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Most people who themselves like or dislike something are able to articulate why reasonably - this cake is too sweet, this bath is too hot, I like how economical this car is etc. Look at that selection though - they dislike Corbyn, but no-one gives an actual, individual reason as to why.

What we are left with is, basically, reflections of the media and political campaigns against Corbyn run between 2015 and 2019. He isn't a good leader (even though if you ask most people to define what makes a good leader, he'd probably up ticking more boxes than other politicians); he (or Labour) aren't credible (which begs the question - credible to who? This is the old electable argument); he's proved himself totally unfit to govern (based on what, exactly?).
 
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