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davek said:
That's a clueless analysis, tbf.

I suggest if you think the left and their policies dont resonate with the British people you go and look at where poll after poll locates their attitude on a whole host of issues.

The last election was about Brexit...Starmer's policy prevailed in that election and he and that lost the LP droves of support.

The election prior to that saw Corbyn's left of centre policies drag the LP back from the oblivion that Brown and Miliband drove them to.
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The Socialist Workers Party has just been consistently unlucky. They'll soon be in power, Comrade.
 
Under Starmer:

"According to the survey 52 percent of C2DE voters, which covers the working-class and those not working, would back the Tories with only 27 percent picking Labour."

It takes a special sort of *Labour* politician to achieve that.
 
Ashworth has just done the hand-wringing exercise on nurses 1% pay increases...then when asked whether he and Starmer would back a proposed strike by nurses he fails to support them.

In a nutshell, that's the Starmer LP.

Just 'kin demolish that party and move on and build afresh.
 
davek said:
Ashworth has just done the hand-wringing exercise on nurses 1% pay increases...then when asked whether he and Starmer would back a proposed strike by nurses he fails to support them.

In a nutshell, that's the Starmer LP.

Just 'kin demolish that party and move on and build afresh.
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TBF even entering into that debate is to fight on the Government's terms - yes, nurses and doctors deserve a pay rise but there is no money (and noone has even mentioned the wider public service pay cut that a total freeze presents). I think its extremely likely this is a fight the government have deliberately picked as a wedge issue, to take on "the unions" now and strip away public support (as everyone else will be seeing pay freezes at best or wage cuts / job losses at worse) before they do what Cameron did - go after pensions again and provide more "reform" to the NHS as a whole.

I'd much rather Starmer, Ashworth and the rest explain that there really is no money because of the government's failures during this crisis (and its failures before this that resulted in much more cost when the crisis hit). They might also want to point out the immense unfairness of the rest of us having to pay all this debt back whilst some people absolutely coined it in, who of course will continue to coin it in as the result of this new austerity (and will continue to donate to the Tories).

The Tory advantage on economic competence is even less deserved than their advantage on national security matters is - Starmer has to start to attack it, though of course the circle around him will probably refuse on the grounds of it sounding like socialism.
 
tsubaki said:
TBF even entering into that debate is to fight on the Government's terms - yes, nurses and doctors deserve a pay rise but there is no money (and noone has even mentioned the wider public service pay cut that a total freeze presents). I think its extremely likely this is a fight the government have deliberately picked as a wedge issue, to take on "the unions" now and strip away public support (as everyone else will be seeing pay freezes at best or wage cuts / job losses at worse) before they do what Cameron did - go after pensions again and provide more "reform" to the NHS as a whole.

I'd much rather Starmer, Ashworth and the rest explain that there really is no money because of the government's failures during this crisis (and its failures before this that resulted in much more cost when the crisis hit). They might also want to point out the immense unfairness of the rest of us having to pay all this debt back whilst some people absolutely coined it in, who of course will continue to coin it in as the result of this new austerity (and will continue to donate to the Tories).

The Tory advantage on economic competence is even less deserved than their advantage on national security matters is - Starmer has to start to attack it, though of course the circle around him will probably refuse on the grounds of it sounding like socialism.
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I disagree. The cash is there. They can give the nurses and other public sector workers on the front line fight against this virus the increases they deserve. That is political gold for any political party willing to push ALL THE WAY including strike action on behalf of the acknowledged heroes of the crisis. Starmer just doesn't have ANY political instinct at all. That is the issue here. He thinks selling the LP as the Tory Party MkII is going to win an election. It wont.
 
davek said:
I disagree. The cash is there. They can give the nurses and other public sector workers on the front line fight against this virus the increases they deserve. That is political gold for any political party willing to push ALL THE WAY including strike action on behalf of the acknowledged heroes of the crisis. Starmer just doesn't have ANY political instinct at all. That is the issue here. He thinks selling the LP as the Tory Party MkII is going to win an election. It wont.
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I‘m not sure that advocating strike action in the middle of a pandemic is a clever move though.......
 
davek said:
I disagree. The cash is there. They can give the nurses and other public sector workers on the front line fight against this virus the increases they deserve. That is political gold for any political party willing to push ALL THE WAY including strike action on behalf of the acknowledged heroes of the crisis. Starmer just doesn't have ANY political instinct at all. That is the issue here. He thinks selling the LP as the Tory Party MkII is going to win an election. It wont.
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Whether the cash is there or not, for over a year money has been lobbed at everything Covid related; it seems foolish to not use that as an excuse to give the NHS folk a proper and deserved rise. In the whole scheme of Covid borrowing, its relative peanuts, and by hook or by crook, most of it finds itself back in the coffers anyrate.
 
roydo said:
Whether the cash is there or not, for over a year money has been lobbed at everything Covid related; it seems foolish to not use that as an excuse to give the NHS folk a proper and deserved rise. In the whole scheme of Covid borrowing, its relative peanuts, and by hook or by crook, most of it finds itself back in the coffers anyrate.
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Which is why Starmer and his Health Secretary look weak when pushed on the issue and they back off giving full support.
 
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