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Watched the LP broadcast earlier - Starmer in front of the butcher's apron (again) and the 5 minute broadcast full of concerned then happy (mostly) white people.

It's not even dog whistling now. Sir Torture is going eyeballs out for the white Briton vote.
 
davek said:
Watched the LP broadcast earlier - Starmer in front of the butcher's apron (again) and the 5 minute broadcast full of concerned then happy (mostly) white people.

It's not even dog whistling now. Sir Torture is going eyeballs out for the white Briton vote.
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Someone should tell him no one is listening.

Its a buggers muddle he has in his lap. Until this virus crap jogs on, no one cares about him, or the LP.
 
davek said:
Watched the LP broadcast earlier - Starmer in front of the butcher's apron (again) and the 5 minute broadcast full of concerned then happy (mostly) white people.

It's not even dog whistling now. Sir Torture is going eyeballs out for the white Briton vote.
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What else should he be going for, Dave?
 
roydo said:
Someone should tell him no one is listening.

Its a buggers muddle he has in his lap. Until this virus crap jogs on, no one cares about him, or the LP.
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No one cares about what they have to say, because they keep on supporting Johnson. Starmer in particular goes out of his way to offer support and assistance...to a man who's presided over 100,000 deaths.

No wonder the public dont give a flying one.
 
davek said:
No one cares about what they have to say, because they keep on supporting Johnson. Starmer in particular goes out of his way to offer support and assistance...to a man who's presided over 100,000 deaths.

No wonder the public dont give a flying one.
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I mean that 99% of folk in the UK are utterly arsed about party politics atm. And even less about the internal machinations of one party.

Starmer is damned if he does, and damned if he doesnt have a pop at Johnson.

Like I caught a shadow minister on the telly earlier. She couldnt not say that the vax programme is going well, then launched into a rant about teachers and key workers should be first in the queue.

"So what vulnerable group should be bypassed?"

What can they do?

Ride it out, hope the pandemic goes away, then when life gets back to some sort of normality and keep powder dry would be my suggestion.
 
roydo said:
I mean that 99% of folk in the UK are utterly arsed about party politics atm. And even less about the internal machinations of one party.

Starmer is damned if he does, and damned if he doesnt have a pop at Johnson.

Like I caught a shadow minister on the telly earlier. She couldnt not say that the vax programme is going well, then launched into a rant about teachers and key workers should be first in the queue.

"So what vulnerable group should be bypassed?"

What can they do?

Ride it out, hope the pandemic goes away, then when life gets back to some sort of normality and keep powder dry would be my suggestion.
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That wont matter. If you're essentially selling the same future as the Tories (which is what Starmer's New New Labour will be doing) then you wont be authentic. The voters told them that back in 2010 and 2015. The market will dominate Labour's policies and they'll offer a few scraps off the table. It will never be enough.

The lesson should have been learned from Corbyn: 2017 a manifesto that promised radical change got the LP's best % share of an election for years and forced the Tories to share power rather than be able to rule...such was the ground made up after Miliband. The 2019 election was all about Brexit and some bollocks over "anti-semitism". It was a freak. But the right wing of the LP have used it to put the radicalism back in the box and it'll be business as usual in 2024.
 
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davek said:
That wont matter. If you're essentially selling the same future as the Tories (which is what Starmer's New New Labour will be doing) then you wont be authentic. The voters told them that back in 2010 and 2015. The market will dominate Labour's policies and they'll offer a few scraps off the table. It will never be enough.

The lesson should have been learned from Corbyn: 2017 a manifesto that promised radical change got the LP's best % share of an election for years and forced the Tories to share power rather than be able to rule...such was the ground made up after Miliband. The 2019 election was all about Brexit and some bollocks over "anti-semitism". It was a freak. But the right wing of the LP have used it to put the radicalism back in the box and it'll be business as usual in 2024.
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roydo said:
I mean that 99% of folk in the UK are utterly arsed about party politics atm. And even less about the internal machinations of one party.

Starmer is damned if he does, and damned if he doesnt have a pop at Johnson.

Like I caught a shadow minister on the telly earlier. She couldnt not say that the vax programme is going well, then launched into a rant about teachers and key workers should be first in the queue.

"So what vulnerable group should be bypassed?"

What can they do?

Ride it out, hope the pandemic goes away, then when life gets back to some sort of normality and keep powder dry would be my suggestion.
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What he needs to do is twofold - firstly start ask questions about important things that aren't being discussed and for which the government isn't prepared - things like how we protect ourselves in future from subsequent waves of this (or other potential pandemics), what capacity they are going to require in the NHS, or what relief they are going to offer business after this is all over, or whether (to use a good point raised on here, sorry but I can't remember who said it) whether he is going to seek democratic consent if he gives away sovereignty in any new trade deals.

Secondly, he needs to bin off many of his advisors and replace them with people who actually know what they are talking about. Like Corbyn did (and Miliband, Brown and Blair) he's surrounded himself with political advisors, which is sort of pointless to him because they'll only ever tell him things he already knows. What he needs are people who can tell him that the government's statements are wrong, or their plans are a bad idea, and why - he already has suitable candidates as MPs so it shouldn't be that hard.
 
tsubaki said:
What he needs to do is twofold - firstly start ask questions about important things that aren't being discussed and for which the government isn't prepared - things like how we protect ourselves in future from subsequent waves of this (or other potential pandemics), what capacity they are going to require in the NHS, or what relief they are going to offer business after this is all over, or whether (to use a good point raised on here, sorry but I can't remember who said it) whether he is going to seek democratic consent if he gives away sovereignty in any new trade deals.

Secondly, he needs to bin off many of his advisors and replace them with people who actually know what they are talking about. Like Corbyn did (and Miliband, Brown and Blair) he's surrounded himself with political advisors, which is sort of pointless to him because they'll only ever tell him things he already knows. What he needs are people who can tell him that the government's statements are wrong, or their plans are a bad idea, and why - he already has suitable candidates as MPs so it shouldn't be that hard.
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