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[JimmyJeffers]

The issue was about the ‘real world’ and ‘ordinary folk’ not managing a crisis. My point is that very few members of any political party these days have any understanding or relationship with either.....

I don’t know. I think when we dismiss all politicians as being from a ‘political class’ we end up going down a dangerous path. There are excellent constituency MPs from all parties. Just seems like the main players at the minute are wet wipes.

 

[dead_soft]

The issue was about the ‘real world’ and ‘ordinary folk’ not managing a crisis. My point is that very few members of any political party these days have any understanding or relationship with either.....

You think Starmer and Johnson have come to their positions with the same lack of experience?

 

[peteblue]

You think Starmer and Johnson have come to their positions with the same lack of experience

Of ordinary people, yes....

 

[davek]

Imagine expecting this feller to do the right thing and actually organise his party to protect people being slain by a government mishandling a pandemic...

 

[dead_soft]

Of ordinary people, yes....

So, despite praising Grammar Schools as promoters of social mobility in previous threads you don't think ordinary people went to them? And that his upbringing will have shielded him from ordinary people like Johnson's would? And what is your definition of 'ordinary'? Because I have a feeling it probably becomes a bit of a circular term here in that if an ordinary person was to become a PM they would no longer be 'ordinary', which in many ways makes your argument redundant. OR, as seems more likely, you can't really defend Johnson much more so you're trying to send out the same faults he has on to other people, even if it is, frankly, ridiculous.

 

[Wizard]

Utterly unfit for government. The Starmer LP compliant with a failed policy that's slaughtering thousands of people.






That issue will be settled today when the murderer closes them down. The fact that the LP were unwilling to call for it is staggering.

Starmer urges PM to close all schools in England

Labour leader calls for return to ‘stay at home’ message of last March’s lockdown

www.independent.co.uk

 

[davek]

Starmer urges PM to close all schools in England

Labour leader calls for return to ‘stay at home’ message of last March’s lockdown

www.independent.co.uk

"Sir Keir Starmer has called on Boris Johnson to announce the closure of all schools in England as part of a national package of restrictions this evening.
The Labour leader last night called on Mr Johnson to announce a national lockdown within 24 hours, but declined to back calls from teaching unions for the reopening of schools to be delayed."

That report was filed 4 hours ago, by which time Johnson was already briefing that the closures were going to happen.

Starmer: again not leading; again with one eye on the Daily Heil and S*n readers he wants to impress.

 

[Wizard]

"Sir Keir Starmer has called on Boris Johnson to announce the closure of all schools in England as part of a national package of restrictions this evening.
The Labour leader last night called on Mr Johnson to announce a national lockdown within 24 hours, but declined to back calls from teaching unions for the reopening of schools to be delayed."

That report was filed 4 hours ago, by which time Johnson was already briefing that the closures were going to happen.

Starmer: [b[again not leading[/b]; again with one eye on the Daily Heil and S*n readers he wants to impress.

He should have mentioned schools yesterday but from what I can find he didn't go into huge detail other than saying we need an immediate national lockdown.

But he has been way ahead of Johnson on this. He called for a circuit breaker nearly 3 weeks before we went into November lockdown, called for the Christmas rules to be scrapped in the commons while being ridiculed by the Tories for wanting to cancel Christmas. He called for a new national lockdown on the day Johnson was saying restrictions were likely in the coming weeks.

I know you hate him but it's difficult to take you seriously when you are on a crusade to put him down at any and every opportunity regardless of if he has done something wrong.

 

[davek]

He should have mentioned schools yesterday but from what I can find he didn't go into huge detail other than saying we need an immediate national lockdown.

But he has been way ahead of Johnson on this. He called for a circuit breaker nearly 3 weeks before we went into November lockdown, called for the Christmas rules to be scrapped in the commons while being ridiculed by the Tories for wanting to cancel Christmas. He called for a new national lockdown on the day Johnson was saying restrictions were likely in the coming weeks.

I know you hate him but it's difficult to take you seriously when you are on a crusade to put him down at any and every opportunity regardless of if he has done something wrong.

He pushes at open doors. He never makes a principled stand on anything.

His shadow minister for education was pushing the party line this morning that the party would back a lockdown but seek to keep schools open.

It's just rubbish.

He abstains on stuff he should vote against; he votes for things he shouldn't (and then qualifies it).

He's a member of the ruling elite. WTF he's doing leading the LP I dont know. I blame Corbyn. He had the power to turf the Starmer's of this world out of the party but stood back and let them retrench themselves and infest the party again.

 

[varnish]

As a former party member I’m finding it very difficult to even consider voting for a Starmer led party. Abstain/spoil it would have to be.

 

[davek]

 

[DanEFC92]

Lol

 

[tsubaki]

Lol

it wouldn’t have been here yet even if they had won, but it would be so useful

 

[peteblue]

So, despite praising Grammar Schools as promoters of social mobility in previous threads you don't think ordinary people went to them? And that his upbringing will have shielded him from ordinary people like Johnson's would? And what is your definition of 'ordinary'? Because I have a feeling it probably becomes a bit of a circular term here in that if an ordinary person was to become a PM they would no longer be 'ordinary', which in many ways makes your argument redundant. OR, as seems more likely, you can't really defend Johnson much more so you're trying to send out the same faults he has on to other people, even if it is, frankly, ridiculous.

Of course ordinary people went to Grammar schools. You do, unfortunately, answer the question yourself. I would accept that Starmer may not have had quite the same start in life as Boris, but he quickly moved out of his background into a more rarefied one. I suppose it’s to do with who you meet, how you think, and having the people available to perform all the tasks you want doing. Anyone becoming PM starts to live in a world completely divorced from reality.....

 

[dead_soft]

Of course ordinary people went to Grammar schools. You do, unfortunately, answer the question yourself. I would accept that Starmer may not have had quite the same start in life as Boris, but he quickly moved out of his background into a more rarefied one. I suppose it’s to do with who you meet, how you think, and having the people available to perform all the tasks you want doing. Anyone becoming PM starts to live in a world completely divorced from reality.....

So, I'm not sure of the point. Do you think we should have ordinary people as PM? And can you describe ordinary?