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dead_soft said:
Stop calling him Sir Keir for starters. And no, you're just rabbiting back some nonsense you heard somewhere. If you hear a man tell a racist they are a racist and think, 'I don't like this' then I don't think you were ever gonna vote Labour
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Starmer is a smart guy and isnt giving the Right wing press anything they can twist and use against him/Labour.

Meanwhile the raving looneys in the party are slating him for not going Gordon Brown on air (which really went well for him and Labour the last time didn't it).

Its simple for me if you claim to be a Labour supporter then support Sir Keir or just dont vote if you feel that strongly. But going around actively trying to damage the party and undermine the leadership at a time the working class and poor desperately need a Labour government is scandalous and self serving in my eyes.

Anyone who does that isnt a true Labour supporter in my opinion.
 
dead_soft said:
I am certainly not saying that. I am saying that a Labour leader shouldn't be afraid to challenge it on live radio. I really don't think this is particularly controversial stuff especially when you see what Corbyn was pilloried for.

Sorry, not sure what you mean, as in a transcript of the whole call-in? Prior to this the woman mentioned should white people use identity politics, he said he thought boo-ing was wrong, which I'm glad he did but I also feel. by not challenging some of the grim things she said that he helps normalise those views.
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Deffo challenge it. Of course.

But my entry into this thread was based on LP members, I assume, having a pop based on a minute of a LBC programme. Agendas everywhere, and to me, a full time carer, partly reliant on benefits, locked up since Feb, I just wish the petty infighting would just stop.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Starmer is a smart guy and isnt giving the Right wing press anything they can twist and use against him/Labour.

Meanwhile the raving looneys in the party are slating him for not going Gordon Brown on air (which really went well for him and Labour the last time didn't it).

Its simple for me if you claim to be a Labour supporter then support Sir Keir or just dont vote if you feel that strongly. But going around actively trying to damage the party and undermine the leadership at a time the working class and poor desperately need a Labour government is scandalous and self serving in my eyes.

Anyone who does that isnt a true Labour supporter in my opinion.
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No one is going around trying to damage him or the party. 4 years before an election people are saying the way he acted was wrong. It's not undermining him, it's asking him to do better
 
roydo said:
Well you have confirmed, again, that although your points are salient, no one outside the LP gives a flying one. (Not about racism, but the infighting) It just seems like an internal knock about.

I dont think for one scintilla that Starmer is a racist, you are calling him out for condoning it.
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I dont know he isn't a racist or not. What I do know is that he clearly isn't anti-racist where some ethnicities are concerned (allows his financial backer to stay in the LP after a series of anti-Muslim tweets; fails to oppose the deportation of people from African and Caribbean backgrounds).

And that, ultimately, is the nub: no one knows what this feller represents for sure because he has no policy. None. He's putting that day off.

A hologram of a man. The LP membership should hang their heads in shame - those of them that voted for him.
 
dead_soft said:
No one is going around trying to damage him or the party. 4 years before an election people are saying the way he acted was wrong. It's not undermining him, it's asking him to do better
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Who's asking him to do better? The minority in the party who want a leader who's frothing at the mouth and losing their cool at anything not considered "Left Wing/Liberal?"

The party encompasses a large group of people and this minority think they have some higher standing within the party to be demanding this and demanding that of the leader.

Sir Keir is the Leader not Dead Soft or Owen Jones so fall in line for the greater good or keep damaging the parties chances of winning the next election.
 
roydo said:
And that is absolutely fine.

But that isnt what actually happened earlier was it?
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I'm not sure it wasn't? There'll always be the odd one being OTT about it somewhere but I think Jones is right, and I'm not sure anyone's voting or not voting for Labour based on this
 
davek said:
I dont know he isn't a racist or not. What I do know is that he clearly isn't anti-racist where some ethnicities are concerned (allows his financial backer to stay in the LP after a series of anti-Muslim tweets; fails to oppose the deportation of people from African and Caribbean backgrounds).

And that, ultimately, is the nub: no one knows what this feller represents for sure because he has no policy. None. He's putting that day off.

A hologram of a man. The LP membership should hang their heads in shame - those of them that voted for him.
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I will agree that he is, so far, pretty, well, grey.

He doesnt seem to be that great as a communicator, nor that "followable". Hologram is a pretty good description.

But the wider point I was making, and have made before, is that the internal fighting in the LP is a huge turn off for many.

Give me John Smith any day of the week.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Who's asking him to do better? The minority in the party who want a leader who's frothing at the mouth at anything not considered "Left Wing/Liberal?"

The party encompasses a large group of people and this minority think they have some higher standing within the party to be demanding this and demanding that of the leader.

Sir Keir is the Leader not Dead Soft or Owen Jones so fall in line for the greater good or keep damaging the parties chances of winning the next election.
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Ha ha.... "for the greater good"?
"Uncle Joe" Stalin would love you.
Send all the "leftie dissidents" to the gulags?
Oh dear.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Its simple for me if you claim to be a Labour supporter then support Sir Keir or just dont vote if you feel that strongly. But going around actively trying to damage the party and undermine the leadership at a time the working class and poor desperately need a Labour government is scandalous and self serving in my eyes.

Anyone who does that isnt a true Labour supporter in my opinion.
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Did you follow that mantra when Corbyn was leader? Hmm.
 
roydo said:
I will agree that he is, so far, pretty, well, grey.

He doesnt seem to be that great as a communicator, nor that "followable". Hologram is a pretty good description.

But the wider point I was making, and have made before, is that the internal fighting in the LP is a huge turn off for many.

Give me John Smith any day of the week.
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John Smith as leader may well have kept me in the Labour Party...taken too soon imo
 
DanEFC92 said:
Did you follow that mantra when Corbyn was leader? Hmm.
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I never liked Corbyn so I didn't vote in the last general although I still hoped Labour would win as the Tory austerity cuts and Universal Credit are hurting the poorest of our society.

I never once jumped on any chance to undermine him/the party on social media or support militant groups within the party or their journalist stooges trying to get rid of him.

Everyone stood by him until it was obvious he was useless its a shame the likes of Momentum and their ilk couldn't do the same with Sir Keir.
 
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