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[ForeverBlue92]

I am very much not a Corbyn disciple, I just don't have any truck with people who think it's okay for a Labour leader to let bigotry slide. Your myopia is so bizarre - you've clearly read a couple of dodgy Facebook posts and think you've got some form of political insight. As a long term Labour supporter I do not want the leader of my party (who I've met at hustings and liked) shying away from challenging bigots.

Its not just this incident though is it Starmer is repeatedly undermined by sections of the party still hurt Saint Jeremy isn't leader anymore.

Sooner they accept he had his chance and he blown it the better. He aint no Che Guevara he's a naughty boy who couldn't beat a hapless Johnson.

Get behind Sir Keir and his 10 Pledges and stop encouraging further Tory Rule as it only hurts the poor and working class.

 

[dead_soft]

Its not just this incident though is it Starmer is repeatedly undermined by sections of the party still hurt Sir Jeremy isn't leader anymore.

Sooner they accept he had his chance and he blown it the better. He aint no Che Guevara he's a naughty boy who couldn't beat a hapless Johnson.

Get behind Sir Keir and his 10 Pledges and stop encouraging further Tory Rule as it only hurts the poor and working class.

None of this is really that true, though. I struggle to think you're a Labour supporter so it's hard to take anything you say seriously.
The party cannot just go courting everyone and to hell with what it means for the politics of the party. What the party stands for MATTERS. And, to be honest, I'm fairly sure it matters a lot more to people in here and the Labour Party then it does to you. No one wanted Corbyn to BE Che Guevara and he's not going to be so it's an odd thing you've mentioned a few times.

Having a Labour Party acquiescing to racists and corporations will do a hell of a lot of damage to the poor and working class.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

None of this is really that true, though. I struggle to think you're a Labour supporter so it's hard to take anything you say seriously.
The party cannot just go courting everyone and to hell with what it means for the politics of the party. What the party stands for MATTERS. And, to be honest, I'm fairly sure it matters a lot more to people in here and the Labour Party then it does to you. No one wanted Corbyn to BE Che Guevara and he's not going to be so it's an odd thing you've mentioned a few times.

Having a Labour Party acquiescing to racists and corporations will do a hell of a lot of damage to the poor and working class.

LOL aye Starmer not calling some randomer on air a bigot is really hurting that single Black mum on Universal Credit living in a run down council estate.

Exactly why the Far Left have failed the working class with nonsense like that. Bigger things going on in the world than Sir Keir going all Gordon Brown live on air - whatever he said wouldn't have changed her opinion or what she said it would have just given more ammunition to the right of "oh look Labour are calling people racists again better vote for us we listen to you and dont judge!"

Get behind Sir Keir and stop undermining the party.

 

[Blues Harp]

He's another Corbyn disciple who alongside his fellow hacks in the media & Momentum would rather see another Tory win at the next election just so they can "prove" Labour is going in the wrong direction and try get Saint Jeremy or one of his swivel eyes cronies as leader.

Absolutely scandalous the undermining that has been going on within the party just let Sir Keir do his job.

No actually lad that's just Bollox.
And btw swivel eyed loons soley inhabit right wing parties...
Eg Desmond Swayne, Mark Francois, Andrew Brigden etc.
Why not sign up for a politics course? Seriously..

 

[roydo]

What the party stands for MATTERS

Only to members of the Labour Party though.

To this observer, you seem to be more fixated on your own internal issues than anything else. The "working class", (not that convinced there is one that would be anything like the actual working class was the LP was formed anyrate) Maybe they dont feel the LP actually represent them?

 

[dead_soft]

Only to members of the Labour Party though.

To this observer, you seem to be more fixated on your own internal issues than anything else. The "working class", (not that convinced there is one that would be anything like the actual working class was the LP was formed anyrate) Maybe they dont feel the LP actually represent them?

It matters more than internal stuff. We're not talking about how the voting structure for the NEC works - we're talking about fundamental issues such as whether the leader should challenge outright racism or legitimise it. They shouldn't just repeat back the views of the class, that would be ridiculous.

 

[dead_soft]

LOL aye Starmer not calling some randomer on air a bigot is really hurting that single Black mum on Universal Credit living in a run down council estate.

Exactly why the Far Left have failed the working class with nonsense like that. Bigger things going on in the world than Sir Keir going all Gordon Brown live on air - whatever he said wouldn't have changed her opinion or what she said it would have just given more ammunition to the right of "oh look Labour are calling people racists again better vote for us we listen to you and dont judge!"

Get behind Sir Keir and stop undermining the party.

Stop calling him Sir Keir for starters. And no, you're just rabbiting back some nonsense you heard somewhere. If you hear a man tell a racist they are a racist and think, 'I don't like this' then I don't think you were ever gonna vote Labour

 

[roydo]

It matters more than internal stuff. We're not talking about how the voting structure for the NEC works - we're talking about fundamental issues such as whether the leader should challenge outright racism or legitimise it. They shouldn't just repeat back the views of the class, that would be ridiculous.

But you are basing your, I assume, attack on Starmer for not calling out a caller, based on a 1 minute twitter post.

Absolutely no context at all. What was the discussion about? How long was the segment? Did they break for news/ads? Was it explored further later?

Maybe you listened to the whole show, no idea, but I doubt it.

It just feels like internal LP slapstick to me. And its not an attractive trait.

 

[dead_soft]

But you are basing your, I assume, attack on Starmer for not calling out a caller, based on a 1 minute twitter post.

Absolutely no context at all. What was the discussion about? How long was the segment? Did they break for news/ads? Was it explored further later?

Maybe you listened to the whole show, no idea, but I doubt it.

It just feels like internal LP slapstick to me. And its not an attractive trait.

I've heard the full chunk of that - it's not internal slapstick! this isn't someone not standing for Internationale, this is the Labour leader not making a clear stand against racism. As mentioned, I've met and like Starmer. He had my support and I was fine putting him as a choice on the ballot.

And it's not an 'attack', it's challenging the leader on a pretty fundamental point. It's so odd that this is a trait that Labour gets attacked for when the Tories are in fighting all the time and in public

 

[roydo]

I've heard the full chunk of that - it's not internal slapstick! this isn't someone not standing for Internationale, this is the Labour leader not making a clear stand against racism. As mentioned, I've met and like Starmer. He had my support and I was fine putting him as a choice on the ballot.

And it's not an 'attack', it's challenging the leader on a pretty fundamental point. It's so odd that this is a trait that Labour gets attacked for when the Tories are in fighting all the time and in public

So you are saying he condones racism?

What did he actually say in the full chunk?

 

[davek]

So you are saying he condones racism?

What did he actually say in the full chunk?

If you dont condemn it, you condone it.

He;s the leader of the Labour Party - it should be a no brainer.

How can he take that relaxed attitude to an anti-black racist and have a zero tolerance on ANY utterance concerning anti-semitism?

He's not very bright politically speaking, and this underlines it - again.

 

[dead_soft]

So you are saying he condones racism?

What did he actually say in the full chunk?

I am certainly not saying that. I am saying that a Labour leader shouldn't be afraid to challenge it on live radio. I really don't think this is particularly controversial stuff especially when you see what Corbyn was pilloried for.

Sorry, not sure what you mean, as in a transcript of the whole call-in? Prior to this the woman mentioned should white people use identity politics, he said he thought boo-ing was wrong, which I'm glad he did but I also feel. by not challenging some of the grim things she said that he helps normalise those views.

 

[DanEFC92]

Owen Jones is another Cry arse who would rather the Tories in power than Sir Keir because his precious Saint Jeremy isn't leader anymore.

People like him make me sick - sat in his ivory tower more arsed about "philosophy" "ideology" than actually getting a government in who wont be cutting us plebs to the bone anymore.

Oh aye. That's the main takeaway from that post..

 

[ForeverBlue92]

So you are saying he condones racism?

What did he actually say in the full chunk?

Some Labour "supporters" would rather undermine their own party just because they dont like the leader as he isn't left wing enough.

Baffling mate.

 

[roydo]

If you dont condemn it, you condone it.

He;s the leader of the Labour Party - it should be a no brainer.

How can he take that relaxed attitude to an anti-black racist and have a zero tolerance on ANY utterance concerning anti-semitism?

He's not very bright politically speaking, and this underlines it - again.

Well you have confirmed, again, that although your points are salient, no one outside the LP gives a flying one. (Not about racism, but the infighting) It just seems like an internal knock about.

I dont think for one scintilla that Starmer is a racist, you are calling him out for condoning it.