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[BigMick]

The unifier.

Labour MPs and members ordered not to discuss Corbyn's suspension

Constituency parties also told not to criticise antisemitism report during meetings

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Corbynite consensus crumbling?

Nadia Whittome statement

Young Nadia showing her naivety? Or a clever career move? Does a place in the shadow cabinet beckon? Or will she disappear into Burgonesque insignificance?

 

[davek]

Corbynite consensus crumbling?

Nadia Whittome statement

Young Nadia showing her naivety? Or a clever career move? Does a place in the shadow cabinet beckon? Or will she disappear into Burgonesque insignificance?

You're quoting someone who wants Corbyn reinstated and saying she's part of a shift away from backing Corbyn.

 

[BigMick]

You're quoting someone who wants Corbyn reinstated and saying she's part of a shift away from backing Corbyn.

I know she signed that statement demanding Corbyn's reinstatement but in her local CLP she tried to prevent a motion demanding just that from being discussed - as Sir Keir has demanded. She is the first, as far as I'm aware, Corbyn supporting MP to do this. I haven't followed the minutiae of Labour Party politics since the 1990s but, from the outside, it seems to me she doesn't want to stray to far from the present leader's instructions, perhaps with one eye on her future career. Who knows? I certainly don't but am interested in the views of people who are still, perhaps, members of Labour or at least follow them more closely than I do.

 

[davek]

I know she signed that statement demanding Corbyn's reinstatement but in her local CLP she tried to prevent a motion demanding just that from being discussed - as Sir Keir has demanded. She is the first, as far as I'm aware, Corbyn supporting MP to do this. I haven't followed the minutiae of Labour Party politics since the 1990s but, from the outside, it seems to me she doesn't want to stray to far from the present leader's instructions, perhaps with one eye on her future career. Who knows? I certainly don't but am interested in the views of people who are still, perhaps, members of Labour or at least follow them more closely than I do.

No, she disassociated herself from any criticism of the EHRC findings.

That was the nub of the link you offered.

 

[BigMick]

No, she disassociated herself from any criticism of the EHRC findings.

That was the nub of the link you offered.

No, the motion was for the restoration of the party whip to Mr Corbyn.

Ms Whittome attempted to stop it being on the agenda but was overruled.

The Chair of the CLP has now been suspended.

 

[davek]

No, the motion was for the restoration of the party whip to Mr Corbyn.

Ms Whittome attempted to stop it being on the agenda but was overruled.

The Chair of the CLP has now been suspended.

No, it wasn't her view. It wasn't about Corbyn at all, it was about 'the tone' of her CLP members attitude to the EHRC report that made her distance herself from their motion.

Maybe she is looking to curry favour with the current leadership, but the evidence for it is not in her statement you linked.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Speaking to a friend last night who works within homelessness prevention. In no way is she what is considered to be far-left but she is considering leaving the Labour party due to the current direction and decision making of the party. I doubt this is just an isolated occurrencez
People maintain that Labour lost the last election due to Corbyn being ‘far left’ when it was in fact more to do with Brexit in my opinion. Think Starmer has underestimated the fact that a large part of the public support leftist policies.
He should also, of course, be utterly destroying Johnson in the polls.

 

[BigMick]

No, it wasn't her view. It wasn't about Corbyn at all, it was about 'the tone' of her CLP members attitude to the EHRC report that made her distance herself from their motion.

Maybe she is looking to curry favour with the current leadership, but the evidence for it is not in her statement you linked.

Thank you Dave. I shall, however, be keeping an eye on Ms. Whittome as it could be she does not fancy a futile future of sitting on the back benches with Burgon etc in what would be a modern version of the 'awkward squad'.

 

[dead_soft]

Speaking to a friend last night who works within homelessness prevention. In no way is she what is considered to be far-left but she is considering leaving the Labour party due to the current direction and decision making of the party. I doubt this is just an isolated occurrencez
People maintain that Labour lost the last election due to Corbyn being ‘far left’ when it was in fact more to do with Brexit in my opinion. Think Starmer has underestimated the fact that a large part of the public support leftist policies.
He should also, of course, be utterly destroying Johnson in the polls.

Agree and also think that he (and the centre/right of the party) seems unaware that politics is a constantly moving thing. One of the problems of the last Labour election campaign was that they didn't get time to explain a lot of what they wanted to do/were mocked in bad faith for it and it made them seem naive or idealistic as opposed to realistic. However, many of the ideas that were in place then are either percolating through to the general population due to time (as happens with many left wing ideas) or because the Tories have been forced to spend and show that it is perfectly plausible to do so.
Starmer and this Labour Party aren't standing ground by being centrist, they're moving backwards and looking anything but progressive.

In 20 years time much of the 'far left's policies will seem mainstream. Either that or we'll be in a fascist post-Brexit hellscape whilst 'rational people' tell us to listen to both the people putting us in camps and the people trying to free us.

 

[davek]

Thank you Dave. I shall, however, be keeping an eye on Ms. Whittome as it could be she does not fancy a futile future of sitting on the back benches with Burgon etc in what would be a modern version of the 'awkward squad'.

Well there's a division within the Socialist Campaign Group of MPs (34 of them) over whether Corbyn should apologise over his EHRC response. She's one of those 34 and that's where you should locate Whittome's CLP stance within, not necessarily between her siding with the LP leadership...a body she's fallen foul over over a matter of principle already (Starmer's insistence of abstention on the spy cops issue / rapists charter).

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Speaking to a friend last night who works within homelessness prevention. In no way is she what is considered to be far-left but she is considering leaving the Labour party due to the current direction and decision making of the party. I doubt this is just an isolated occurrencez
People maintain that Labour lost the last election due to Corbyn being ‘far left’ when it was in fact more to do with Brexit in my opinion. Think Starmer has underestimated the fact that a large part of the public support leftist policies.
He should also, of course, be utterly destroying Johnson in the polls.

No offence intended mate but if she would rather another term of Tory austerity cuts over Starmer just because he isn't a swivel eyed socialist then she's a fool considering she works with people likely affected by said Tory cuts.

For what its worth the more folk Starmer rids of in the party who put ideology before results the better - its why we've fallen away the past decade.

Never had it better than under New Labour but the fantasists in the party would rather cry and strop until Corbyn gets back as Labour Leader.

 

[davek]

Speaking to a friend last night who works within homelessness prevention. In no way is she what is considered to be far-left but she is considering leaving the Labour party due to the current direction and decision making of the party. I doubt this is just an isolated occurrencez
People maintain that Labour lost the last election due to Corbyn being ‘far left’ when it was in fact more to do with Brexit in my opinion. Think Starmer has underestimated the fact that a large part of the public support leftist policies.
He should also, of course, be utterly destroying Johnson in the polls.

50,000 have left since the torturer's friend became leader.

 

[tsubaki]

Speaking to a friend last night who works within homelessness prevention. In no way is she what is considered to be far-left but she is considering leaving the Labour party due to the current direction and decision making of the party. I doubt this is just an isolated occurrencez
People maintain that Labour lost the last election due to Corbyn being ‘far left’ when it was in fact more to do with Brexit in my opinion. Think Starmer has underestimated the fact that a large part of the public support leftist policies.
He should also, of course, be utterly destroying Johnson in the polls.

Brexit certainly played a part, but I think the reason they lost (in both 2017 and 2019) was that they were never able to effectively challenge the notion that Corbyn / Labour were far left - that they represented an extreme form of politics, one that was alien to our "normal" politics. That lie (and it was a lie) was pushed out across almost the entire print, TV, audio and internet media multiple times a day with the effect that we all still see it repeated all the time, as if it was fact.

It would have been really difficult for Labour to challenge this, but they should have had a proper go at it rather than accept it as a reality and try to do something else. Getting Corbyn to actually talk about the military, national security issues and so on had to be a priority after 2017 but they (and he) never really did this, which allowed the scum who sacked military personnel whilst they were in Afghanistan (and weeks away from the pension they'd fought years for) to portray themselves as being the only ones who could be trusted with our defence.

 

[roydo]

50,000 have left since the torturer's friend became leader.

never able to effectively challenge the notion that Corbyn / Labour were far left - that they represented an extreme form of politics, one that was alien to our "normal" politics.

Thats the circle I cant square.

Have they left cos they reckon Starmer is actually a friend of torturers, (thats an extreme view any way up), or cos they reckon he is crap and wont win an election?

Or because they are on the fringe of politics, and Corbyn was most likely to deliver a type of politics they were attracted to?

 

[davek]

Thats the circle I cant square.

Have they left cos they reckon Starmer is actually a friend of torturers, (thats an extreme view any way up), or cos they reckon he is crap and wont win an election?

Or because they are on the fringe of politics, and Corbyn was most likely to deliver a type of politics they were attracted to?

A lot joined Labour because of the fresh breeze Corbyn brought into politics back in 2015, so they'll easily peel off. But there'll be an exodus once Starmer reveals the watering down of LP policy commitments on the economy and trade union rights etc that'll happen in the new year.