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davek said:
What a happy membership Starmer prevails over:

Survation poll of 5,000 LP members.



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Inspiring.

Well done, Sir Keir.
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Quite decent that, encouraging - prob the most unified it's been in years. Looks like SKS getting this ship pointed in the right direction.

A minority of members feel the party is heading in the wrong direction and are pessimistic. But that's always been the way with labour having such a broad and heterogeneous membership.
 
Black Belt Jones said:
Quite decent that, encouraging - prob the most unified it's been in years. Looks like SKS getting this ship pointed in the right direction.

A minority of members feel the party is heading in the wrong direction and are pessimistic. But that's always been the way with labour having such a broad and heterogeneous membership.
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The data points to a party whose membership are divided over a new leader and his ability to do the job he was hired for...months after he was elected.

It's damning.
 
Aberblue said:
You must bear in mind that the last Labour leader was distrusted by 75% of the PLP within about a year or being elected. History proved them right, too.
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The PLP....yes. A bunch of neo-liberal Blairite Judas's.

The membership is the measuring rod here.
 
Aberblue said:
You must bear in mind that the last Labour leader was distrusted by 75% of the PLP within about a year or being elected. History proved them right, too.
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More like within an hour of being elected. They then spent the following year briefing against him, refusing to serve in his shadow cabinet and plotting to replace him with Owen 'kin Smith.
 
Aberblue said:
You must bear in mind that the last Labour leader was distrusted by 75% of the PLP within about a year or being elected. History proved them right, too.
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No, it didn’t. The mass of the PLP objected to him from the moment it looked like he’d win, and some of them ended up saying and doing things that have proved incredibly damaging to the PLP, the membership and most importantly their constituents. Woodcock, Austin and Mann got peerages out of this opposition, or to put it more accurately they were rewarded with around £300 a day for the rest of their lives. Watson and Dugher are now in establishment sinecures too.

Finally, these people were terrible at politics- at any point they could have removed Corbyn as leader of the opposition; they didn’t and this is because (as we saw with the 2016 attempt and TIG) they were appalling. Corbyn was and is infinitely more able as a politician than any of them.
 
tsubaki said:
No, it didn’t. The mass of the PLP objected to him from the moment it looked like he’d win, and some of them ended up saying and doing things that have proved incredibly damaging to the PLP, the membership and most importantly their constituents. Woodcock, Austin and Mann got peerages out of this opposition, or to put it more accurately they were rewarded with around £300 a day for the rest of their lives. Watson and Dugher are now in establishment sinecures too.

Finally, these people were terrible at politics- at any point they could have removed Corbyn as leader of the opposition; they didn’t and this is because (as we saw with the 2016 attempt and TIG) they were appalling. Corbyn was and is infinitely more able as a politician than any of them.
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Yes it's very hard to be ejected from the Gravy Train once you're on it, but didn't Jeremy nominate 'Fat' Tom for a peerage?
 
BigMick said:
...and Formby. Seemed genuine to me: Bercow to spite the government and Watson as a reward for 'going quietly'.

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They knew Bercow would be blocked though, and Watson went months before a peerage was mentioned (and didn’t go quietly anyway).

Formby and Murphy getting nominated was fairly standard for people who’ve run party machines (for example Baroness Sugg, who just resigned, got hers for doing that sort of thing for Cameron).

Even then though, Watson had been Deputy Leader of a party and a person of prominence in the country with campaigns over press malpractice and noncery. I wouldn’t have nominated him but Woodcock, Austin and Mann were backbench MPs of not that long standing, without any distinctions or achievements. We all work with or know people who genuinely deserve that honour more than those three.

Them getting gongs and the cash that comes with that, together with the one awarded to the frankly ludicrous Claire Fox, shames the country and the people who gave them that honour.
 
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