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[JimmyJeffers]

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Is it difficult I take it? Have they changed the process?

 

[dead_soft]

...labour is doing it wrong?

I'm not sure what your point is?

 

[TommyDavo]

I'm not sure what your point is?

We are in an age where class should not exist as a concept let alone a “thing”, but as long as people see themselves as being inferior/superior to others then socialism will never be

 

[Moomin]

Momentum haven’t even been going for a decade so it’s a bit of a stretch to blame them for Brown and Milliband losing their elections.

That was my thinking.

I also want to know who the Momentum MP's are as well????

I think someone reads too much into the lies on facebook about Momentum.

 

[dead_soft]

We are in an age where class should not exist as a concept let alone a “thing”, but as long as people see themselves as being inferior/superior to others then socialism will fail

But it does exist and it exists because the ruling elite want and need it to - it has nothing with people seeing themselves as inferior, it just is a structure and power dynamic that exists. The only way to try and dismantle it or to improve things is through class action and collective struggle - this has repeatedly and regularly pushed progress for both the working person and for society in general so it's not quite true that it has meant socialism has always failed.

 

[TommyDavo]

But it does exist and it exists because the ruling elite want and need it to - it has nothing with people seeing themselves as inferior, it just is a structure and power dynamic that exists. The only way to try and dismantle it or to improve things is through class action and collective struggle - this has repeatedly and regularly pushed progress for both the working person and for society in general so it's not quite true that it has meant socialism has always failed.

Sorry I edited my post to change fail to never be

 

[peteblue]

Is it difficult I take it? Have they changed the process?

just different....

 

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[ForeverBlue92]

Momentum haven’t even been going for a decade so it’s a bit of a stretch to blame them for Brown and Milliband losing their elections.

I said them and their ilk.

To suggest the Labour Party hasn't had far left / socialist heavy members prior to momentum is ludicrous.

 

[Charro]

I said them and their ilk.

To suggest the Labour Party hasn't had far left / socialist heavy members prior to momentum is ludicrous.

Who are their ilk? Milliband and certainly Brown didn’t affiliate themselves closely to the left of the party so I don’t see how you could blame them for those elections?

Labour has always had socialist heavy members, it’s kinda the point of the whole labour movement. Are you suggesting the Labour Party should be rid of socialist members?

 

[Blues Harp]

I said them and their ilk.

To suggest the Labour Party hasn't had far left / socialist heavy members prior to momentum is ludicrous.

So you want to get rid of all the "socialist heavy members" in the party do you?
Go and form your own centre right party because that's what you come across as...oh wait, that's what Labour are now, no matter what sort of spin you put on it.

 

[Blues Harp]

Who are their ilk? Milliband and certainly Brown didn’t affiliate themselves closely to the left of the party so I don’t see how you could blame them for those elections?

Labour has always had socialist heavy members, it’s kinda the point of the whole labour movement. Are you suggesting the Labour Party should be rid of socialist members?

You beat me to it....

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Only if he acts right wing and starts banning left wing thought though, let's be honest, ya mad rabid Express reader

Starmer is sensible and is centre left - to suggest he's right wing is ludicrous.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Who are their ilk? Milliband and certainly Brown didn’t affiliate themselves closely to the left of the party so I don’t see how you could blame them for those elections?

Labour has always had socialist heavy members, it’s kinda the point of the whole labour movement. Are you suggesting the Labour Party should be rid of socialist members?

What Labour need is more prominent centre left socialists who have an understanding of the real world.

The problem is when you get the likes of Corbyn who promises the world and is out of touch with reality and fails to acknowledge that mild socialism & mild capitalism alongside one another is the realistic happy medium in terms of raising standard of living whilst also keeping global businesses from not just packing up and doing one elswhere.

If Corbyn and Momentum really cared about the working classes they would walk away and let Starmer reform the party and win the next election - we cant cope with more Tory rule but that is what we'll get if we keep letting the lunatics run the asylum within the party.

 

[tsubaki]

I said them and their ilk.

To suggest the Labour Party hasn't had far left / socialist heavy members prior to momentum is ludicrous.

No you didn’t - you said they’d been in charge not that they’ve been present (indeed the point that socialists had been in Labour was one you appeared to reject when you said they’d be better in the Green Party, so its a bit mad you claim that’s what you are on about now).

In fact you’ve said the same thing (that Momentum were to blame for ten years of Tory rule) at least twice here.