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[dwightschrute]

Cameron was spooked into holding a referendum not because there was a great clamour in the country for one, but because he feared ukip taking seats off the Tories. Also he thought he would get a majority in favour of remaining. When he didn't, he ran away like the coward he is.
Now look where we are.

Tbf he wasnt going to hold one until MOMENTUM swirlied him and forced him to do it

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

With regards to all this Momentum talk, it is fair to say that Momentum is this week's Militant Tendency. Riddled with entryists.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

With regards to all this Momentum talk, it is fair to say that Momentum is this week's Militant Tendency. Riddled with entryists.

Guess it’s subjective but from what I know, militant were far further left than momentum. I would imagine @tsubaki knows a fair bit more than me on this subject.
Does anyone slagging them off actually know what momentum are or do, or have any first hand experience of them? Just curious like

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I mean according to their website their primary campaign at the minute is the typical Stalinist tactic to stop evictions due to Covid.
Agreed that they are just as bad as the people who spread xenophobic propaganda. lol

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Guess it’s subjective but from what I know, militant were far further left than momentum. I would imagine @tsubaki knows a fair bit more than me on this subject.
Does anyone slagging them off actually know what momentum are or do, or have any first hand experience of them? Just curious like

Possibly mate but it is certainly a child of the beast and on that path.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

This was a prophetic piece.

Why the Labour Left is doomed

The disaster of 1983 looms large in the party's psyche

unherd.com

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I mean according to their website their primary campaign at the minute is the typical Stalinist tactic to stop evictions due to Covid.
Agreed that they are just as bad as the people who spread xenophobic propaganda. lol

Aye, it is all a bit Judean Peoples Front.

There was some insight into the design and intent from Lansman.

Lansman says on the tape that Corbyn and John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, personally asked him to exclude members of the Socialist party (the successor to Militant Tendency) from Momentum owing to the embarrassment they were causing. But he made clear to the audience that, despite changing Momentum’s rules so that only people who were Labour members could join, this would not be enforced in such a way as to exclude people. “There is no one to my knowledge in Momentum – certainly not me – who wishes to exclude people. It was important to require Labour party membership in the rules, but it is down to enforcement. No one from the centre is going to tell you to kick people out.”

Secret tape reveals Momentum plot to seize control of Labour

Grassroots group hopes to harness power of UK’s largest union, Unite, and secure succession after Jeremy Corbyn

www.theguardian.com

 

[Moomin]

Guess it’s subjective but from what I know, militant were far further left than momentum. I would imagine @tsubaki knows a fair bit more than me on this subject.
Does anyone slagging them off actually know what momentum are or do, or have any first hand experience of them? Just curious like

Two of the wife’s friends are in Momentum, one is a teacher and the other a child counsellor.

They help out at food banks, do litter picks.

Evil bitches

 

[JimmyJeffers]

This was a prophetic piece.

Why the Labour Left is doomed

The disaster of 1983 looms large in the party's psyche

unherd.com

Unherd seem impartial lol

 

[catcherintherye]

Guess it’s subjective but from what I know, militant were far further left than momentum. I would imagine @tsubaki knows a fair bit more than me on this subject.
Does anyone slagging them off actually know what momentum are or do, or have any first hand experience of them? Just curious like

I've had some dealings mate. What would you like to know?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I've had some dealings mate. What would you like to know?

In your opinion, are they a danger to anyone?

 

[catcherintherye]

Yes - Brown called an old woman a bigot because she had concerns over immigration - the very condescending attitude towards voters which I've been banging on about.

Milliband refused to hold a referendum on the EU despite the majority of the voters wanting one - the Tories meanwhile took advantage and offered one and won support from it.

Labour for the last decade have put ideology over winning elections therefore they can not complain when the Tories are cutting budgets to the bone as they have let them do it.

Im not saying throw away your morals but Brown could have easily listened ti that woman and educated her, Miliband could have offered a referendum and given facts on the postivies of EU membership but instead they were arrogant and condescending "we know best and you're all gammons".

You reap what you sow.

The problem with Brown and the woman, was she was merely parrotting back to him a lot of the stuff he himself had said, and Labour had done for years. That was the damaging thing for me. I remember the whole "british jobs for British workers" stuff and then he seemed bemused at the impact that rhetoric had. The stuff Labour did around detention centres, the wars, the scapegoating of refugees under David Blunket etc. I'm not sure you can then blame that woman, if you're a Labour leader when you've gone down that route.

Miliband lost because he wasn't very good and the press savaged him for his stance on Leveson. Post 2012 the bubble burst for him, at around that time. I mean in all honesty, when you factor in the collapse of the Lib Dems, who's voters were mainly left wing, he had an open goal election- just win the 15% of Lib Dem voters who defect and you've got 45% of the vote. Absolutely no idea how he messed that up. I don't really count Brown in the same league as him really. Brown had an almost impossible hand that he played ok.

 

[catcherintherye]

In your opinion, are they a danger to anyone?

Good question. They might bore you to death. I find the groups I've been involved with quite cliquey and strange, but there's not really a malice to them.

Versus the Militant, Militant were much more intelligent but also much smaller. They punched above their weight, whereas Momentum in all honesty don't really pull their weight at all.

If that makes sense?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Good question. They might bore you to death. I find the groups I've been involved with quite cliquey and strange, but there's not really a malice to them.

Versus the Militant, Militant were much more intelligent but also much smaller. They punched above their weight, whereas Momentum in all honesty don't really pull their weight at all.

If that makes sense?

That’s kinda the impression I get. Know a lad who used to be in militant. Very nice and intelligent guy.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Good question. They might bore you to death. I find the groups I've been involved with quite cliquey and strange, but there's not really a malice to them.

Versus the Militant, Militant were much more intelligent but also much smaller. They punched above their weight, whereas Momentum in all honesty don't really pull their weight at all.

If that makes sense?

So, in your informed opinion can an equivalence be made to say Momentum and the EDL for example as being both as bad as each other?