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I was positive about Starmer after a few of the PMQ's. I think he has the beating of Johnson with his meticulous approach in them but still falls into the 'soundbites' traps. It seems he is either absolutely centrist or is picking his fights carefully. I haven't seen him mention the Robert Jenrick scandal, or all of the other Tory naughtiness thats been swept under the carpet. Maybe he is waiting for a full onslaught after we get back to some sort of normality but my fears are that this is a new era for labour. And not a Labour that we recognise. It's upsetting.
 
D*ck Solomon said:
I was positive about Starmer after a few of the PMQ's. I think he has the beating of Johnson with his meticulous approach in them but still falls into the 'soundbites' traps. It seems he is either absolutely centrist or is picking his fights carefully. I haven't seen him mention the Robert Jenrick scandal, or all of the other Tory naughtiness thats been swept under the carpet. Maybe he is waiting for a full onslaught after we get back to some sort of normality but my fears are that this is a new era for labour. And not a Labour that we recognise. It's upsetting.
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He's a Blairite hologram.
 
D*ck Solomon said:
It's very worrying. Blair fooled everyone though. We won't get fooled again.
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The membership should leave and form a new party backed by left unions.

The time is now.

In the Corbyn years the party underlined that its infestation by neo-liberal forces was too ingrained for the left to use.

Sink the Labour Party now for the reactionary organisation it is and build a new party. If that party gained 45-50 seats in the next few years it'd be more worthwile than any Labour Party with a couple of hundred seats or even a Labour Government. The modern SNP showed how you defeat the LP from its left in Scotland.
 
davek said:
The membership should leave and form a new party backed by left unions.

The time is now.

In the Corbyn years the party underlined that its infestation by neo-liberal forces was too ingrained for the left to use.

Sink the Labour Party now for the reactionary organisation it is and build a new party. If that party gained 45-50 seats in the next few years it'd be more worthwile than any Labour Party with a couple of hundred seats or even a Labour Government. The modern SNP showed how you defeat the LP from its left in Scotland.
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I dont think this would work in fptp, there would an argument for it if we had pr
 
davek said:
The membership should leave and form a new party backed by left unions.

The time is now.

In the Corbyn years the party underlined that its infestation by neo-liberal forces was too ingrained for the left to use.

Sink the Labour Party now for the reactionary organisation it is and build a new party. If that party gained 45-50 seats in the next few years it'd be more worthwile than any Labour Party with a couple of hundred seats or even a Labour Government. The modern SNP showed how you defeat the LP from its left in Scotland.
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I believe there is a logic to Momentum doing the right thing and setting up as a separate party. It could control its direction of travel and its members would have the type of socialist voice they clearly long for. No doubt that it would be a small protest party with the likes of the Communist Party and the Socialist Party but its members would possibly not be as repulsed as they might be with mass party politics. Labour could get on with challenging the Tories then and not be caught up with infighting.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
I believe there is a logic to Momentum doing the right thing and setting up as a separate party. It could control its direction of travel and its members would have the type of socialist voice they clearly long for. No doubt that it would be a small protest party with the likes of the Communist Party and the Socialist Party but its members would possibly not be as repulsed as they might be with mass party politics. Labour could get on with challenging the Tories then and not be caught up with infighting.
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No, under my scenario - shorn of an organic and financial link with the unions - Labour would wither away.
 
davek said:
No, under my scenario - shorn of an organic and financial link with the unions - Labour would wither away.
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That plan might suggest that your loyalties are not really with Labour and are possibly more aligned to the Socialist or Communist party, mate.

I do think that we will see a fragmentation of traditional political parties over time but prior to that, I can see Starmer winning the next GE, and if the Tories remain as they are it will be a big ask for them to be trusted by the nation if their handling of Covid and the exams is the bar they have set.
 
roydo said:
Why would the unions spend their not inconsiderable money on a fringe party? Seems a bit dense to me.
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Many unions disaffiliated from the LP under Blair/Brown and came back with Corbyn's election. It wont take too much for them to disaffiliate again and if a substantial effort is made to create a party to the left of Labour they could back it. That's easy to envisage. Those unions look for their members to be represented for their cash; a LP under Starmer wont do that.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
That plan might suggest that your loyalties are not really with Labour and are possibly more aligned to the Socialist or Communist party, mate.

I do think that we will see a fragmentation of traditional political parties over time but prior to that, I can see Starmer winning the next GE, and if the Tories remain as they are it will be a big ask for them to be trusted by the nation if their handling of Covid and the exams is the bar they have set.
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I'm not hidebound to Labour. If it's a party captured by the market then its no use to any socialist. It'll have to go.

It'll be VERY interesting to see the membership/unons reaction to Starmer's inevitable withdrawal from supporting the last two LP manifestos.
 
davek said:
I'm not hidebound to Labour. If it's a party captured by the market then its no use to any socialist. It'll have to go.

It'll be VERY interesting to see the membership/unons reaction to Starmer's inevitable withdrawal from supporting the last two LP manifestos.
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If your fears are of Starmer leading the party to Blair like positions I suppose the reaction will be the same as when Blair was leading the party.
 
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