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[Tubey]

Ok mate, that's your view.

Mine is that ALL tory governments detest the welfare state (they voted against it in the first place back in the 40s) This administration is easily the most "far right" in my lifetime (and I lived through thatcher's regime)

In theory they are, but in reality thus far Johnson's reign has included the most socialist raft of spending since the formation of the NHS due to COVID, to such a degree even Corbyn would blush. If they were rigidly far right, nothing of the sort would have happened.

They are right wing nationalists on a single issue - Brexit. And by extension immigration. But that's it so far.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Christ

It's a pressure group, ten a penny... Worrying about these akin to the bed wetters in transfer thread! Of course any election where Starmer fails to increase Labour share of vote will amplify dissent and pun intended thier momentum will build. Hey ho, democracy, live and die by it I say...

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It's a pressure group, ten a penny... Worrying about these akin to the bed wetters in transfer thread! Of course any election where Starmer fails to increase Labour share of vote will amplify dissent and pun intended thier momentum will build. Hey ho, democracy, live and die by it I say...

I don't imagine anyone is worried about a handful of loony left crackpots

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

More just in awe of their stupidity.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I don't imagine anyone is worried about a handful of loony left crackpots

More just in awe of their stupidity.

Dissenting voices within a crucial, or you get something like yes sir no sir Johnson Government, now that's real stupidity as we are experiencing!

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Dissenting voices within a crucial, or you get something like yes sir no sir Johnson Government, now that's real stupidity as we are experiencing!

A unified voice and direction of travel is crucial, otherwise, you get what we have got in this government. That was the problem with Labour under Corbyn, he was a divisive figure. The ripples of the division sown under his leadership are still being felt as evidenced by those loons, but hopefully, Starmer can forge unity and these crackpots either wake up or go.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

A unified voice and direction of travel is crucial, otherwise, you get what we have got in this government. That was the problem with Labour under Corbyn, he was a divisive figure. The ripples of the division sown under his leadership are still being felt as evidenced by those loons, but hopefully, Starmer can forge unity and these crackpots either wake up or go.

Like I said it's pressure group and with no known faces, however, no doubt if Starmer fails to gain headway in elections prior to the general their voice will get louder and legitimately.

Still it's all part of checks and balances that any democratic party should be open too, holding truth to power is a thing particularly in the left of the spectrum, which indeed includes Starmer.

Starmer promised while gaining leadership, to maintain Corbyn 2017 manifesto, he has moral duty to uphold these principles, if not it's the loons and crackpots that have control of Labour.

 

[davek]

A unified voice and direction of travel is crucial, otherwise, you get what we have got in this government. That was the problem with Labour under Corbyn, he was a divisive figure. The ripples of the division sown under his leadership are still being felt as evidenced by those loons, but hopefully, Starmer can forge unity and these crackpots either wake up or go.

Corbyn "was a divisive figure" not because of how he led, but simply because he wasn't part of the neo-liberal Blairite PLP gang - something the Blairite Starmer wont ever have to be concerned about.

The left unions and the membership have to crush the present leadership. They have nothing to offer. These are epoch defining moments we live through and the country doesn't need a timid Tory second XI, it needs a bold socialist alternative.

 

[Charro]

Corbyn "was a divisive figure" not because of how he led, but simply because he wasn't part of the neo-liberal Blairite PLP gang - something the Blairite Starmer wont ever have to be concerned about.

The left unions and the membership have to crush the present leadership. They have nothing to offer. These are epoch defining moments we live through and the country doesn't need a timid Tory second XI, it needs a bold socialist alternative.

The socialist alternative lead us to our worst election performance for decades.

Surely it’s time to compromise? Have socialist values, but to also move the party more towards the centre to be more electable. What good will more party infighting do? We’ll be handing the next election to the tories with more of that.

Socialism isn’t electable as much as it pains me to say.

 

[davek]

The socialist alternative lead us to our worst election performance for decades.

Surely it’s time to compromise? Have socialist values, but to also move the party more towards the centre to be more electable. What good will more party infighting do? We’ll be handing the next election to the tories with more of that.

Socialism isn’t electable as much as it pains me to say.

2017 within a couple of thousand votes of power after being in the wilderness since Blair's last GE...and only stopped from becoming the governing party by Blairite's in the Labour Party blocking election resources getting through to marginal seats.

2019 was a re-run of the Brexit referendum...and we all know who was the mastermind of the LP running as a party against Brexit and getting trounced: yes, that's right, that stuffed 'kin shirt Starmer.

You're clueless.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Like I said it's pressure group and with no known faces, however, no doubt if Starmer fails to gain headway in elections prior to the general their voice will get louder and legitimately.

Still it's all part of checks and balances that any democratic party should be open too, holding truth to power is a thing particularly in the left of the spectrum, which indeed includes Starmer.

Starmer promised while gaining leadership, to maintain Corbyn 2017 manifesto, he has moral duty to uphold these principles, if not it's the loons and crackpots that have control of Labour.

Let us hope he does deliver a manifesto that grasps the opportunities to 'reset' brought by Covid, mate, god knows we need it.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Corbyn "was a divisive figure" not because of how he led, but simply because he wasn't part of the neo-liberal Blairite PLP gang - something the Blairite Starmer wont ever have to be concerned about.

The left unions and the membership have to crush the present leadership. They have nothing to offer. These are epoch defining moments we live through and the country doesn't need a timid Tory second XI, it needs a bold socialist alternative.

I'd say he was divisive to lots of people in lots of ways, mate. We can shout about lies the media and everything in between but the reality is that Corbyn just had too many issues around him.

He certainly didn't unify the party. He definitely didn't have the confidence of the people. I would say that if you think that the average Joe public would welcome the company that Corbyn has kept throughout his career, and was public knowledge, that you are misguided.

What we need is to not entrench ourselves in camps but to find a unified voice as a people. You are welcome to your opinion, Dave, but I am afraid I do not agree with it and I get the feeling that you are fixed and biased to your perception only. Apologies if I am wrong but if not this is not a helpful position at all. Starmer has an opportunity now, he won't be able to take it if people on the left are trying to trip him up whenever they can - and if that continues you and others of your persuasion are a political gift to the Tories.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Socialism isn’t electable as much as it pains me to say.

Very questionable statement bordering lunacy considering this current Government spending in managing the effects of this Pandemic, the very first thing they reached for once they realised the magnitude their indifference was socialist principles, can debate their application of it. But to dismiss socialism when a populist Government actively dabbling in it, well, really?

 

[Charro]

Very questionable statement bordering lunacy considering this current Government spending in managing the effects of this Pandemic, the very first thing they reached for once they realised the magnitude their indifference was socialist principles, can debate their application of it. But to dismiss socialism when a populist Government actively dabbling in it, well, really?

Massive difference between a government dabbling in socialism and an opposition building their entire manifesto around it.

I’m not dismissing it, but this country isn’t ready to vote in a socialist government.

 

[davek]

I'd say he was divisive to lots of people in lots of ways, mate. We can shout about lies the media and everything in between but the reality is that Corbyn just had too many issues around him.

He certainly didn't unify the party. He definitely didn't have the confidence of the people. I would say that if you think that the average Joe public would welcome the company that Corbyn has kept throughout his career, and was public knowledge, that you are misguided.

What we need is to not entrench ourselves in camps but to find a unified voice as a people. You are welcome to your opinion, Dave, but I am afraid I do not agree with it and I get the feeling that you are fixed and biased to your perception only. Apologies if I am wrong but if not this is not a helpful position at all. Starmer has an opportunity now, he won't be able to take it if people on the left are trying to trip him up whenever they can - and if that continues you and others of your persuasion are a political gift to the Tories.

Starmer offers nothing. He'll be rejected. He's a hologram who believes all you need to do is present a bland image and not offend anyone. It's not enough. We need hope and a programme to lift the nation.