Current Affairs The Labour Party

[Charlie Sweet]

With an understanding of what leadership is.

Corbyn took over a party in decline, with large sections of the party in the hands of people who clearly didn’t have its best interests at heart and with a media who clearly favoured one side.

He improved some of this, often in the face of severe abuse and obstruction, and fought against them for five years. That he ultimately failed doesn’t mean he was a bad leader.

Thought it more appropriate here.

For me, and I suspect many others, Corbyn was the worst leader in Labour history.

I started as a young teenager following Kinnock trying to do the right thing. Same for Smith. I followed Blair and Brown. Milliband was a poor choice lacking in any sort of basic human skill to be a leader. Corbyn brought with him a divisive sect that seemed to hate a majority of the Labour Party more than it hated the Tories.

 

[tsubaki]

Thought it more appropriate here.

For me, and I suspect many others, Corbyn was the worst leader in Labour history.

I started as a young teenager following Kinnock trying to do the right thing. Same for Smith. I followed Blair and Brown. Milliband was a poor choice lacking in any sort of basic human skill to be a leader. Corbyn brought with him a divisive sect that seemed to hate a majority of the Labour Party more than it hated the Tories.

... and yet it was the sect who opposed Corbyn that actually campaigned with the Tories

 

[Methuselah]

Extract from article on Keir Starmer in Telegraph today.

'Sir Keir's calm and meticulously forensic approach is precisely what these dramatic times require and was deployed to great effect in his opening set of questions yesterday. He is going to be heard because the nature of this emergency demands that we have an effective Opposition. After a long hiatus, Labour has a grown up leader once again.'

It's taken a while.

 

[dannyboy]

Thought it more appropriate here.

For me, and I suspect many others, Corbyn was the worst leader in Labour history.

I started as a young teenager following Kinnock trying to do the right thing. Same for Smith. I followed Blair and Brown. Milliband was a poor choice lacking in any sort of basic human skill to be a leader. Corbyn brought with him a divisive sect that seemed to hate a majority of the Labour Party more than it hated the Tories.

It was actually the Labour MPs and party officials who hated the Labour Party more than they hated the Tories. Hence loads of them being absolutely gutted after the 2017 election result.

 

[dannyboy]

Extract from article on Keir Starmer in Telegraph today.

'Sir Keir's calm and meticulously forensic approach is precisely what these dramatic times require and was deployed to great effect in his opening set of questions yesterday. He is going to be heard because the nature of this emergency demands that we have an effective Opposition. After a long hiatus, Labour has a grown up leader once again.'

It's taken a while.

This is all very predictable. After the scare Corbyn gave the establishment, a buttering up of the new leader was always to be inevitable.

We even had Andrew Neil singing Starmer's praises on Twitter. The type of endorsement I cringe at. These people shouldn't like Labour Party leaders. We should stand for the opposite of their values.

The honeymoon period will soon end however and the attack dogs will be out for Starmer in the same way they have been for any other leader in this country who wants to make a real differnce.

 

[Methuselah]

This is all very predictable. After the scare Corbyn gave the establishment, a buttering up of the new leader was always to be inevitable.

We even had Andrew Neil singing Starmer's praises on Twitter. The type of endorsement I cringe at. These people shouldn't like Labour Party leaders. We should stand for the opposite of their values.

The honeymoon period will soon end however and the attack dogs will be out for Starmer in the same way they have been for any other leader in this country who wants to make a real differnce.

Corbyn was the worst Labour leader since Michael Foot - and Michael Foot was marginally better.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

... and yet it was the sect who opposed Corbyn that actually campaigned with the Tories

And Corbyn and Lansman who aided Thatcher.

 

[dannyboy]

Corbyn was the worst Labour leader since Michael Foot - and Michael Foot was marginally better.

I agree Corbyn was a poor leader. He allowed himself to be undermined and dictated to by a minority of MPs and party officials who didn't actually want a Labour government. The lot of them should have been given the same treatment that Johnson dished out to those who opposed him last year.

It's easy to look at the disastrous Brexit election and forget Corbyn out performed Miliband and Brown by a huge margin in 2017. He shifted the debate and as much as he was loathed by many, he also inspired the younger generation to take an interest in politics.

Even Blair would have struggled in December. The people had spoken and they wanted Brexit. No leader of the Labour Party could have pushed back against that tide. There just weren't enough votes from the left and centre to counteract those who wanted out of the EU.

I'm now fully behind Starmer and will always be a member of the party. Unlike the parasites who drained the life out of our movement for the past 5 years I will always see Labour as the vehicle for change in this country.

 

[tsubaki]

And Corbyn and Lansman who aided Thatcher.

Yes, Corbyn and Lansman stood on a stage with Thatcher and got jobs off her. They were famous for it.

 

[Methuselah]

I agree Corbyn was a poor leader. He allowed himself to be undermined and dictated to by a minority of MPs and party officials who didn't actually want a Labour government. The lot of them should have been given the same treatment that Johnson dished out to those who opposed him last year.

It's easy to look at the disastrous Brexit election and forget Corbyn out performed Miliband and Brown by a huge margin in 2017. He shifted the debate and as much as he was loathed by many, he also inspired the younger generation to take an interest in politics.

Even Blair would have struggled in December. The people had spoken and they wanted Brexit. No leader of the Labour Party could have pushed back against that tide. There just weren't enough votes from the left and centre to counteract those who wanted out of the EU.

I'm now fully behind Starmer and will always be a member of the party. Unlike the parasites who drained the life out of our movement for the past 5 years I will always see Labour as the vehicle for change in this country.

You summed it up quite nicely there. 'The people had spoken and they wanted Brexit'. Corbyn, who has always been anti-EU, allowed himself to be side-lined on this issue by the remainer's in Labour and took the worst possible stance for the leader of a party. He sat on the fence and advertised that he was weak.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Yes, Corbyn and Lansman stood on a stage with Thatcher and got jobs off her. They were famous for it.

But Corbyn and Lansman, were conspirators with Militant against Kinnock, an action that helped Thatcher win, right? And that those entryists that were removed or left the party after this in the 80's and 90's are the same that have returned to once again give us Momentum and a Tory government.

 

[tsubaki]

But Corbyn and Lansman, were conspirators with Militant against Kinnock, an action that helped Thatcher win, right? And that those entryists that were removed or left the party after this in the 80's and 90's are the same that have returned to once again give us Momentum and a Tory government.

No, that isn’t right. If Corbyn had been that tight with Militant then he’d have been kicked out when Fields and Nellist were. He wasn’t, and wasn’t.

 

[orly]

While not Big Jezza's biggest fan, suggesting he was a Thatcherite is a bit bonkers

 

[catcherintherye]

Thought it more appropriate here.

For me, and I suspect many others, Corbyn was the worst leader in Labour history.

I started as a young teenager following Kinnock trying to do the right thing. Same for Smith. I followed Blair and Brown. Milliband was a poor choice lacking in any sort of basic human skill to be a leader. Corbyn brought with him a divisive sect that seemed to hate a majority of the Labour Party more than it hated the Tories.

I'll play devils advocate a little here mate. Have you seen the emails that were being sent by Labour staffers (and this will be the tip of the iceberg). I suspect the party machine actually hates Corbyn, the membership and anyone to the left of Blair more than they hate the Tories. I mean the messages about preferring IDS to the first shadow cabinet (which remember was very broad, had many people loyal to both Blair and Brown in it) was a bit of an eye opener.

I think overall Corbyn will be remembered well. I really worry for Labour. They have a group of people at the core (top) of the party who have this mixture of arrogance, entitlement and stupidity that if they are allowed to run things again, will run it much further into the ground than Corbyn did (as they did before he arrived).

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

No, that isn’t right. If Corbyn had been that tight with Militant then he’d have been kicked out when Fields and Nellist were. He wasn’t, and wasn’t.

Its not a secret, Kinnock and those around have spoken about it many times. Corbyn has consistently done his best to go against Labour time and time again.