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[dannyboy]

Just looking through the quotes now and it´s nothing short of a scandal. People at the top of a political party actively working to undermine their own electoral chances.

Corbyn and the lefts biggest mistake was not going to war with these scumbags. They were spitting in the face of half a million members on a daily basis and getting away with it.

 

[davek]

Who's the left though mate? Is it purely represented by the likes of Corbyn McDonnell Murray Milne McCluskey and co, or is it a broad church including the less radical and society in general?

Right and left in our democracy is about how much you want to rebalance the private and public sector. It's not personalities.

 

[magicjuan]

Who's the left though mate? Is it purely represented by the likes of Corbyn McDonnell Murray Milne McCluskey and co, or is it a broad church including the less radical and society in general?

Therein lies the rub. Corbyn and McDonnell's policies weren't 'radical', the public were told they are but they are normal centre left policies across Europe. We've shifted so far to the right that centre left is seen as Sandinista style politics.

 

[tsubaki]

Who's the left though mate? Is it purely represented by the likes of Corbyn McDonnell Murray Milne McCluskey and co, or is it a broad church including the less radical and society in general?

to some of the people mentioned in this leak it was apparently everyone they didn't agree with, who were therefore scum

 

[orly]

I disagree. He's a plotter and he fell in with the right wing plot to get shut of Corbyn.

This is no straight arrow we're talking about here. He's a DPP with a terrible right wing record.

Takes me back to a glorious period for Grandoldteam.com this word does

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Right and left in our democracy is about how much you want to rebalance the private and public sector. It's not personalities.

But to the average man on the street the Labour party are the left. Starmer is the leader of the Labour party so seeing statements such as yours saying that 'the left' won't go after Starmer is rather worrisome (and you are not alone in saying this) given what we have just been through under Corbyn. All parties have broad representation but it does feel that since the Momentum movement and rise of Corbyn that Labour are now two parties. The same can be levelled at the Tories with the EFG but to a lesser degree but the worry for the LP is that infighting will distract the party from the bigger picture.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Therein lies the rub. Corbyn and McDonnell's policies weren't 'radical', the public were told they are but they are normal centre left policies across Europe. We've shifted so far to the right that centre left is seen as Sandinista style politics.

Agree to a point mate but as alluded to above if the political and personal views within the LP are that stretched between factions within the party that no-one can agree then we are goosed. It'd almost be better splitting the party to allow a focused push. The alternative of all uniting behind the leader, well I hope that Starmer can unite the party but fear that the fractures are too wide.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

to some of the people mentioned in this leak it was apparently everyone they didn't agree with, who were therefore scum

Yes mate, its a concern isn't it

 

[tsubaki]

But to the average man on the street the Labour party are the left. Starmer is the leader of the Labour party so seeing statements such as yours saying that 'the left' won't go after Starmer is rather worrisome (and you are not alone in saying this) given what we have just been through under Corbyn. All parties have broad representation but it does feel that since the Momentum movement and rise of Corbyn that Labour are now two parties. The same can be levelled at the Tories with the EFG but to a lesser degree but the worry for the LP is that infighting will distract the party from the bigger picture.

The problem with this is that the wider LP is united - the problem is with a tiny group of people at the top who think they run things (and have carved out careers on that basis).

To say the disputes are factIonal (in the traditional sense) is to give them political convictions that they really don’t have; they just want to remain at the trough.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The problem with this is that the wider LP is united - the problem is with a tiny group of people at the top who think they run things (and have carved out careers on that basis).

To say the disputes are factIonal (in the traditional sense) is to give them political convictions that they really don’t have; they just want to remain at the trough.

Even Momentum is/has now split mate with Forward Momentum. Its all getting a bit Peoples Front of Judea and doesn't bode well for the party if there isn't a clear strategic direction that all within the party will follow. Let us imagine that Starmer decides on what is perceived by the more left leaning as a right/centre right direction, we'll no doubt see the same squabbles and disagreements that have become a feature of the LP in recent time.

 

[peteblue]

Even Momentum is/has now split mate with Forward Momentum. Its all getting a bit Peoples Front of Judea and doesn't bode well for the party if there isn't a clear strategic direction that all within the party will follow. Let us imagine that Starmer decides on what is perceived by the more left leaning as a right/centre right direction, we'll no doubt see the same squabbles and disagreements that have become a feature of the LP in recent time.

Hahaha, with Momentum being the Judean People’s Front, the crack suicide squad......

 

[tsubaki]

Even Momentum is/has now split mate with Forward Momentum. Its all getting a bit Peoples Front of Judea and doesn't bode well for the party if there isn't a clear strategic direction that all within the party will follow. Let us imagine that Starmer decides on what is perceived by the more left leaning as a right/centre right direction, we'll no doubt see the same squabbles and disagreements that have become a feature of the LP in recent time.

I doubt that completely; the party has had centrist / right wing policies in the past and has stayed united - people who didn’t like it left.

What will kick things off is if the few individuals who remain in post linked to this are found to have done what’s been alleged and yet keep their jobs, it would mean they’ve learned nothing and Starmer isn’t ruthless enough to get rid of people who are no use to anyone (which was Corbyns biggest failing).

 

[davek]

I hear that Starmer is trying to devalue the report. His faithful lap dog Paul Mason now tweeting away on his behalf about the 'provenance' of the it....


That's a lot quicker than I thought the Starmer honeymoon would be over in.

 

[tsubaki]

I hear that Starmer is trying to devalue the report. His faithful lap dog Paul Mason now tweeting away on his behalf about the 'provenance' of the it....


That's a lot quicker than I thought the Starmer honeymoon would be over in.

Mason is such a jinx it’s untrue.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I doubt that completely; the party has had centrist / right wing policies in the past and has stayed united - people who didn’t like it left.

What will kick things off is if the few individuals who remain in post linked to this are found to have done what’s been alleged and yet keep their jobs, it would mean they’ve learned nothing and Starmer isn’t ruthless enough to get rid of people who are no use to anyone (which was Corbyns biggest failing).

Could it not be argued that those that had been in control of the party prior to Momentum's formation in 2015 and subsequent growth, saw Momentum and Corbyn's take over of their party and either left or stood their ground and ultimately won their party back?

If consider that under Corbyn and Momentum's watch we actually managed to turn lifelong Labour communities into Tory voters - it is quite an achievement! I'm sure there'll be fingers pointing in all directions when considering this but regardless of the variables it is and will remain Corbyn and Momentum's legacy.

I would say there seems to be a general lack of humility coming from those corners of the party and if it is allowed to continue then the party will not move forward as those that can never be wrong are destined to walk in circles and will keep bumping into everyone else.

As I say, it might be best for all if the passionately supported 40,000 odd Momentum members set up another paryt and allowed Labour to get on with the healing the damage. Time will tell whether they can fall into line.