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[davek]

doubt it dave, they've gone bust

Gone bust? The Jewish Chronicle?

They're still putting out their venomous right wing BS:

Labour lawyers block sending internal antisemitism report to human rights watchdog - The Jewish Chronicle

They told General Secretary Jennie Formby the 860-page dossier would damage its wider defence against the charge of being institutionally antisemitic

www.thejc.com

 

[summerisle]

Gone bust? The Jewish Chronicle?

They're still putting out their venomous right wing BS:

Labour lawyers block sending internal antisemitism report to human rights watchdog - The Jewish Chronicle

They told General Secretary Jennie Formby the 860-page dossier would damage its wider defence against the charge of being institutionally antisemitic

www.thejc.com

Jewish Chronicle and Jewish News to close and staff laid off

Sources say staff have been told parent company has run out of money during UK lockdown

www.theguardian.com

 

[tsubaki]

Gone bust? The Jewish Chronicle?

They're still putting out their venomous right wing BS:

Labour lawyers block sending internal antisemitism report to human rights watchdog - The Jewish Chronicle

They told General Secretary Jennie Formby the 860-page dossier would damage its wider defence against the charge of being institutionally antisemitic

www.thejc.com

yep, them and Jewish News:

Jewish Chronicle and Jewish News to close and staff laid off

Sources say staff have been told parent company has run out of money during UK lockdown

www.theguardian.com

 

[davek]

Jewish Chronicle and Jewish News to close and staff laid off

Sources say staff have been told parent company has run out of money during UK lockdown

www.theguardian.com

yep, them and Jewish News:

Jewish Chronicle and Jewish News to close and staff laid off

Sources say staff have been told parent company has run out of money during UK lockdown

www.theguardian.com

Well, for now, they're still getting an online edition out.

 

[zzr45]

Maybe I’m missing something, but have the leaked WhatsApp conversations just seemed to be conversations where people express a distaste for people and or policies? It seems what people seem to be sticking up on Twitter like some sort of smoking gun.

 

[davek]

Maybe I’m missing something, but have the leaked WhatsApp conversations just seemed to be conversations where people express a distaste for people and or policies? It seems what people seem to be sticking up on Twitter like some sort of smoking gun.

The "whistleblowers" were motivated more by ideological opposition to the Corbyn leadership than they were about highlighting *anti-semitism in the LP*. That's the smoking gun.

 

[zzr45]

The "whistleblowers" were motivated more by ideological opposition to the Corbyn leadership than they were about highlighting *anti-semitism in the LP*. That's the smoking gun.

See that makes sense. I just don’t get the forensic detail some are going in on pouring into conversations that don’t seem to have any direct connection. People not agreeing with policy seems a bit irrelevant

 

[davek]

See that makes sense. I just don’t get the forensic detail some are going in on pouring into conversations that don’t seem to have any direct connection. People not agreeing with policy seems a bit irrelevant

It's relevant because it highlights the underlying reason for the *anti-semitism* farrago.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It's relevant because it highlights the underlying reason for the *anti-semitism* farrago.

From this report people can gain an understanding why the Blairite wing of party is so despised, they will literally weaponise anything for political gain.
It reminds me of that day when others in labour began to realise the Blair methodology of doing politics, it's a good day to bury bad news, it's in the same dark art political spectrum.

The Jo Moore spin scandal | Special Reports | guardian.co.uk Politics

www.theguardian.com

 

[tsubaki]

Maybe I’m missing something, but have the leaked WhatsApp conversations just seemed to be conversations where people express a distaste for people and or policies? It seems what people seem to be sticking up on Twitter like some sort of smoking gun.

There killer thing will be if there was discussion of, or evidence of, them delaying or wrecking investigations into antisemitism. The bias / leaking to the press / wrecking the left is something shocking to read, but on the other hand not that shocking as most people suspected it was doing on.

I haven’t seen anything leaked yet that directly says that, but there was some anecdotal evidence to suggest something odd was happening given that a lot of the people who went on to blow the whistle actually were in charge of the investigation units / had seats on the NEC at the time.

 

[tsubaki]

From this report people can gain an understanding why the Blairite wing of party is so despised, they will literally weaponise anything for political gain.
It reminds me of that day when others in labour began to realise the Blair methodology of doing politics, it's a good day to bury bad news, it's in the same dark art political spectrum.

The Jo Moore spin scandal | Special Reports | guardian.co.uk Politics

www.theguardian.com

There was loads of that type of thing going on back then - the failed attempt to stop Livingston running for mayor, the two (ultimately failed) attempts to stop Rhodri Morgan from being First Minister in Wales, the briefings against Brown (and by Brown’s lot against Blair) which regularly stepped over the bounds of propriety and of course what they (with the other parties) did to Elizabeth Filkin, a scandal which still doesn’t get the attention it deserves.

Then you have things like David Kelly and what they were letting some of the media do, which was even worse than all of the above.

 

[Tubey]

Maybe I’m missing something, but have the leaked WhatsApp conversations just seemed to be conversations where people express a distaste for people and or policies? It seems what people seem to be sticking up on Twitter like some sort of smoking gun.

Yeah I'm trying to get my head around it. I mean it proves certain people didn't like Corbyn/Momentum but... I mean that's not news is it? They weren't liked by Corbyn/Momentum in return.

The fact Labour split apart and was deeply tribal in recent years isn't new information. Will have a look at it properly later when I have time.

 

[davek]

Yeah I'm trying to get my head around it. I mean it proves certain people didn't like Corbyn/Momentum but... I mean that's not news is it? They weren't liked by Corbyn/Momentum in return.

The fact Labour split apart and was deeply tribal in recent years isn't new information. Will have a look at it properly later when I have time.

But the obvious thing to point out here is that the *whistleblowers* (the one's who concocted the anti-semitism allegations and dispersed them to the media) were actively trying to rid the party of its leadership because they disagreed with the leaderships domestic and foreign policy programme.

How can you just shrug and wonder what that has anything to do with the way the LP under Corbyn had the charge of *anti-semitic* attached to it?

The relationship is as stark as stark can be.

 

[Tubey]

But the obvious thing to point oiut here is that the *whistleblowers* (the one's who concocted the anti-semitism allegations and dispersed them to the media) were actively trying to rid the party of its leadership.

How can you just shrug and wonder what that has anything to do with the way the LP under Corbyn had *anti-semitic* attached to it?

The relationship is as stark as stark can be.

I get that but it doesn't prove the anti-semitism didn't exist (because it did) - it just proves they were happy to take advantage of it (which they were).

But again, that's not news, at least to me. What jumps out to me most about it is that more effort has seemingly gone into that report than the entire investigation into anti-semitism in the party over years.

All that said, if these people were stupid enough to keep correspondence that could be found which prove they actively worked against the parties aims under a legitimately elected leader, then they should be sacked. But I really am not surprised at the tribalism - both wings of the party were at it, and it was a failure of leadership from Corbyn that he couldn't/wouldn't reconcile the differences.

 

[Tin-Tin]

So it turns out she was right.