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Discussions with some of you must be excruciating.

‘Can you buy some milk, please?’
‘Corbyn is NOT a racist you know?’
‘Erm, that’s nice, but can you please buy some milk?’
‘I can’t believe that you’re being so ignorant. Corbyn is NOT a racist, what about Tories and Islamophobia?’
‘I honestly don’t care about any of that, please can you buy some milk?’
‘The mainstream media has got to you, all you can do is repeat their messages and think about milk, by the way Corbyn is NOT racist.’

A discussion of the leader of the Labour Party in a thread called 'The Labour Party'???

You've gone too far this time, Momentum!!!

Here you go mate: https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/milk.12208/

You'll be safe in there.
 
One poster has already compared state ownership of UK rail and electricity to Leeds United and then the American speculative housing bubble, which is quite... boutiqu
No, I compared the method of funding, (namely, the widely discredited financial instrument of securitisation )the state ownership of UK rail, electricity etc you were championing as the way forward to the previous ownership of Leeds United and used the American housing market crash as an example of it's catastrophic failure. I did not criticise state ownership of those utilities per se, only your questionable methods of funding. Instead of getting the hump with other posters when someone questions your explanations, why not provide some support for your arguments? Funding of the purchase of the assets of public utilities by the state by the method of securitisation is the way forward because.......??
 
No, I compared the method of funding, (namely, the widely discredited financial instrument of securitisation )the state ownership of UK rail, electricity etc you were championing as the way forward to the previous ownership of Leeds United and used the American housing market crash as an example of it's catastrophic failure. I did not criticise state ownership of those utilities per se, only your questionable methods of funding. Instead of getting the hump with other posters when someone questions your explanations, why not provide some support for your arguments? Funding of the purchase of the assets of public utilities by the state by the method of securitisation is the way forward because.......??

I think you might be confusing my use of the word 'secure' with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitization

Not the same thing.
 
How is that valid? I pay for the pension of retirees via my taxes today. When I myself receive a state pension is irrelevant to that. His argument was that people had been paying into their personal state pension pot for years and now wouldn't be able to get their annuity until a few years later. It's fundamentally misrepresenting how the state pension works.

It isn’t irrelevant - if you start work at 18 and are told you’ll have to work until you are 65, paying for older people to get their pensions at 65 as well is reasonable. That is how the system is commonly understood to work.

What isn’t reasonable is a government that those over 65s voted in raising their entitlements at the cost of yours, making you work until 68 or 70 to get less than what they got.
 
You're wondering why the author hasn't provided a detailed 'risk matrix' and a detailed overview of economic theory in a 1000 word article designed for non-specialists?

Would you like to share your risk matrix with us then? Or outline some of the 'theories' that have informed your detailed understanding of the matter? Or perhaps you just like saying 'risk matrix'?

What, specifically, do you see as long-term risks to rail and utilities ownership in the UK?

One poster has already compared state ownership of UK rail and electricity to Leeds United and then the American speculative housing bubble, which is quite... boutique


Why spend thirty seconds doing your homework when you can just lob idle self-serving assumptions instead? What have you uncovered about the author's background or experience which calls his judgement into doubt? Why, specifically, should we distrust him? Or just baseless speculation then?

The New Statesman editorial line has been hostile to Corbyn since day one, incidentally.





Interest rates likely would go up as result of Labour's programme, and as I've explained several times elsewhere and can't be bothered to get into again, this is a feature not a bug, because without sensible interest rates, pensions and eventually banks are in grave danger and capital is forced into high-risk speculative gambits of the sort that caused the last crash

On the other hand, I might be wrong, because of 'risk' and 'theories'

Well, yeah...there does need to be a risk matrix created which would no doubt consist of algorithms pumped in by (most likely) PHDs...

The author hasnt even mentioned that (or used simplistic terms) to describe other key fundamental and technical issues with their "dont worry if it fails, the state can just sell it off and breakeven" theory. They have given ONE scenario without any other options, which even for discussion purposes is laughable.

The reason the authors work experience is important is due to my own personal and professional experience with PHD holders...heres the first 3 i met;

1st: French guy holding doctorate in Space Physics from Tokyo university = then became a masseuse when his theories didnt match reality lol

2nd: Romanian girl holding a PHD from psychology studies = no personal communication skills, just staring or shouting at people about 'her views' = became an unpaid womans rights activist in the US after marrying a local for a visa...

3rd; English guy with PHD in something fund related = escaped out of Japan before a trial after beating up his girlfriend. Got a banking job in Singapore for a year...married his girlfriend and then after being booted from his job lived off his wifes earnings as a camgirl.

So for me, PHDs have no credibility when compared to real life experience in their field.

I imagine the author doesnt have any experience because if they submitted a document with only one viewpoint and no risk analysis proving it was the only real option they wouldnt be in their job for long.


We can discuss this or the other points about interest rates potential to cause serious issues (or not) in repayments. However, like i asked;


Was Corbyn lying or doesnt he understand borrowing ?


No, I compared the method of funding, (namely, the widely discredited financial instrument of securitisation )the state ownership of UK rail, electricity etc you were championing as the way forward to the previous ownership of Leeds United and used the American housing market crash as an example of it's catastrophic failure. I did not criticise state ownership of those utilities per se, only your questionable methods of funding. Instead of getting the hump with other posters when someone questions your explanations, why not provide some support for your arguments? Funding of the purchase of the assets of public utilities by the state by the method of securitisation is the way forward because.......??

I think you might be confusing my use of the word 'secure' with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitization

Not the same thing.


The issue really isnt the way its done, or the terminology, or even the risk...

The issue should be if Corbyn is lying or he doesnt know how he would fund one of the major items in his manifesto...
 
The reason the authors work experience is important is due to my own personal and professional experience with PHD holders...heres the first 3 i met;

1st: French guy holding doctorate in Space Physics from Tokyo university = then became a masseuse when his theories didnt match reality lol

2nd: Romanian girl holding a PHD from psychology studies = no personal communication skills, just staring or shouting at people about 'her views' = became an unpaid womans rights activist in the US after marrying a local for a visa...

3rd; English guy with PHD in something fund related = escaped out of Japan before a trial after beating up his girlfriend. Got a banking job in Singapore for a year...married his girlfriend and then after being booted from his job lived off his wifes earnings as a camgirl.

So for me, PHDs have no credibility when compared to real life experience in their field.

Gosh, you sure know how to extrapolate values from sample-size...

What matrix did you use for that one? Can you share your risk analysis proving your conclusion was the only real option?
 
Gosh, you sure know how to extrapolate values from sample-size...

lol ;)

Thats just the first 3 i met...

Another one i shared messages with 2 weeks ago....they seem to think a client should be sending them documents...without being asked for them...

They were angry about not receiving these documents (which were never requested)....

I asked if they had sent the client telepathic messages and if the client hadnt understood them...in which case perhaps the client should take lessons in Telephathy and if there were any courses they recommend...

Subseauently i got the blame... lol

So i asked if they could recommend a telepathy course for me....


PHDs / Masters / Degrees in my view are just like passports...they get you in somewhere...its what you do in the world afterwards which counts.
 
lol ;)

Thats just the first 3 i met...

Another one i shared messages with 2 weeks ago....they seem to think a client should be sending them documents...without being asked for them...

They were angry about not receiving these documents (which were never requested)....

I asked if they had sent the client telepathic messages and if the client hadnt understood them...in which case perhaps the client should take lessons in Telephathy and if there were any courses they recommend...

Subseauently i got the blame... lol

So i asked if they could recommend a telepathy course for me....


PHDs / Masters / Degrees in my view are just like passports...they get you in somewhere...its what you do in the world afterwards which counts.

Wait until you hear my anecdotal data on middle-aged British bachelors in Asia...

Risk analysis off the charts on that one ; )

(In jest!)
 
It isn’t irrelevant - if you start work at 18 and are told you’ll have to work until you are 65, paying for older people to get their pensions at 65 as well is reasonable. That is how the system is commonly understood to work.

What isn’t reasonable is a government that those over 65s voted in raising their entitlements at the cost of yours, making you work until 68 or 70 to get less than what they got.

Then the retirement age would never raise from when it was introduced in the 40s, despite life expectancy past retirement changing beyond recognition since then, and the demographics of the baby boomer generation meaning many more retirees are now being funded by a dwindling ratio of tax payers.
 
Listening to the Labour chap on radio 4 just now arguing that the £58bn payment to female pensioners was right because 'they had paid in' for so long and therefore it's justified. That's not how the state pension works ffs. It's funded by tax payers at the time, it's not a scheme that people pay into with their taxes.

Well as my wife is one of these women from the 50’s, I’m looking forward to an increase in her pension and a decent lump sum cheque from Jeremy to pay for a few holidays. It’s only what we deserve from you all...thank you Jeremy.....
 
Well as my wife is one of these women from the 50’s, I’m looking forward to an increase in her pension and a decent lump sum cheque from Jeremy to pay for a few holidays. It’s only what we deserve from you all...thank you Jeremy.....

It just smacks of pretending reality doesn't exist, as we can just bribe people with money today.
 
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