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Number_25 said:
Kantar poll, reweighed to 2017...

Tories: 40.20
Labour: 34.02
Lib Dem: 14.53

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After your plea last night.

Was in game lobby listening to Neil talk over Corbyn, and wife asked who was that penis, I replied with the glasses thats Corbyn, (she has little interest in politics but does vote and professes to dislike Corbyn) no she said the fat slouched one, rude man blah blah.
 
I just think it is odd, the whole anti sematism thing being thrown at corbyn and the labour party.

I don't know enough to pass actual opinion on the details, maybe you all can. and have done. But the idea of it being labelled against the labour party is quite bizaare. I could understand it being attributed to them 60 years ago when anti semitism was a big thing going on in the world for obvious reasons. But in 2019?

Just strikes me as odd that's all, a strange thing to be labeled with
 
Kenshin said:
I just think it is odd, the whole anti sematism thing being thrown at corbyn and the labour party.

I don't know enough to pass actual opinion on the details, maybe you all can. and have done. But the idea of it being labelled against the labour party is quite bizaare. I could understand it being attributed to them 60 years ago when anti semitism was a big thing going on in the world for obvious reasons. But in 2019?

Just strikes me as odd that's all, a strange thing to be labeled with
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I believe that there exist people within the membership who hold anti-Semitic beliefs, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

I'm supportive of the Palestinian people, but am careful when it comes to discussing the matter - ensuring to contextualise every statement I put forward as to provide a degree of nuance.

But not everyone is able to do this, so you end up with horrendous misconstrued perceptions being built.

It's a sore-point for the Labour Party in-particular because we've had a strong anti-Zionist tradition, but are also the party that effectively give the instantiation of the Israeli state the go ahead.

Do I believe that it boils down to Corbyn's leadership? No, of course not.

Complaints have been an issue for the party for a very long time, under Blair, Brown, Miliband and now Corbyn. I do believe that the restructuring should have happened from day one, as Jon Lansman said, but the previous NEC were reluctant to make managerial changes due to the fear of a "Momentum takeover".

Do I believe that Labour hasn't done enough to work with the Jewish community to alleviate their concerns? 100% yes.
 
Kenshin said:
I just think it is odd, the whole anti sematism thing being thrown at corbyn and the labour party.

I don't know enough to pass actual opinion on the details, maybe you all can. and have done. But the idea of it being labelled against the labour party is quite bizaare. I could understand it being attributed to them 60 years ago when anti semitism was a big thing going on in the world for obvious reasons. But in 2019?

Just strikes me as odd that's all, a strange thing to be labeled with
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The main issue is Corbyn´s support for Palestine. Further to that, the media of this country had been chucking mud to no effect for so long they were absolutely delighted when they got something to stick. Having conclusive proof in their eyes that someone of the left can be confirmed as an out and out racist is all their dreams come true.
 
Number_25 said:
I believe that there exist people within the membership who hold anti-Semitic beliefs, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

I'm supportive of the Palestinian people, but am careful when it comes to discussing the matter - ensuring to contextualise every statement I put forward as to provide a degree of nuance.

But not everyone is able to do this, so you end up with horrendous misconstrued perceptions being built.

It's a sore-point for the Labour Party in-particular because we've had a strong anti-Zionist tradition, but are also the party that effectively give the instantiation of the Israeli state the go ahead.

Do I believe that it boils down to Corbyn's leadership? No, of course not.

Complaints have been an issue for the party for a very long time, under Blair, Brown, Miliband and now Corbyn. I do believe that the restructuring should have happened from day one, as Jon Lansman said, but the previous NEC were reluctant to make managerial changes due to the fear of a "Momentum takeover".

Do I believe that Labour hasn't done enough to work with the Jewish community to alleviate their concerns? 100% yes.
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Cheers, that has taught me a couple of things about the subject.
dannyboy said:
The main issue is Corbyn´s support for Palestine. Further to that, the media of this country had been chucking mud to no effect for so long they were absolutely delighted when they got something to stick. Having conclusive proof in their eyes that someone of the left can be confirmed as an out and out racist is all their dreams come true.
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Ahh Palestine, it is a very touchy subject that. More so given other factors that kinda make you see why it is a touchy subject. A whole different rabbit hole for another time, but what i will say on it is that given what has happened, and the religious leanings of the world media, it isnt difficult to see why there is a narrative on the matter that has to be followed.
 
Discussions with some of you must be excruciating.

‘Can you buy some milk, please?’
‘Corbyn is NOT a racist you know?’
‘Erm, that’s nice, but can you please buy some milk?’
‘I can’t believe that you’re being so ignorant. Corbyn is NOT a racist, what about Tories and Islamophobia?’
‘I honestly don’t care about any of that, please can you buy some milk?’
‘The mainstream media has got to you, all you can do is repeat their messages and think about milk, by the way Corbyn is NOT racist.’
 
zzr45 said:
Discussions with some of you must be excruciating.

‘Can you buy some milk, please?’
‘Corbyn is NOT a racist you know?’
‘Erm, that’s nice, but can you please buy some milk?’
‘I can’t believe that you’re being so ignorant. Corbyn is NOT a racist, what about Tories and Islamophobia?’
‘I honestly don’t care about any of that, please can you buy some milk?’
‘The mainstream media has got to you, all you can do is repeat their messages and think about milk, by the way Corbyn is NOT racist.’
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In fairness lid, I think the discussion was concerning the televised interview with Andrew Neil.
 
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