Current Affairs The Labour Party

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They used to be able to whip up the ‘us and them’ by using fox hunting, until it was banned of course, so now it’s private schools, but no one cares......

Yeh I mean, fox hunting is disgusting. I don't know why weirdos feel the need to do it.

But it's not weird to want to send your kids to a good school if you can afford it.

Doesn't mean the rest of us have to settle for s***, but the reason state schools are bad is f all to do with private schools.
 
Balanced budgets = austerity? Where did you come up with that? That's a very... unique definition.



Labour will not increase taxes on anyone who earns less than £80k/year.

I am not sure you understand how tax brackets work. Nobody is going to have to pay 52% of their income in taxes. Even if 52% is the top rate (I'm not sure where you found that...), it would only apply on income earned above the £80k threshold.



Do you earn more than £80k a year? If not, than your tax rate will not change.

As for the 'where is the money going to come from'? question, which is perfectly legitimate, Labour will in addition to raising taxes on income earned above the first £80k, also increase inheritance taxes (which apply only to bequeathments above £325k), and restore corporate taxes to what they were before 2010.

The UK currently has the lowest corporate tax rate of any major industrialised country; even after restoring the 2010 rate, corporate tax levels would still be comparable to Canada, Italy, the Netherlands, and lower than France, Germany, Belgium, New Zealand, Japan, and Australia.

Labour will also (at least as per the 2017 manifesto) borrow money to invest in infrastructure. And because I can spot some of your hackles raising from miles away, it is worth comparing what the financial world tells us (we can't afford schools and hospitals anymore) with what they tell themselves (we can't make any money loaning to governments because interest rates are so low compared to inflation that they are actually earning money by borrowing from us)

From just this morning: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...-if-history-of-debt-is-any-guide?srnd=opinion

...Real 10-year yields recently went negative in the U.S. and are barely positive at present, while they are negative in much of the rest of the developed world. Negative real yields did happen in the aftermath of the war, but not persistently. In general, increasing inflation has in the past eased the pain of financial repression. As is well known, there are no great signs of returning inflation at present. If the markets are right, we are at the beginning of the longest period of sustained negative real yields in history. That suggests a significant opportunity for any government with financing needs.

With financial repression a virtual given, the scene is set for governments to spend money.
The Deutsche Bank team suggests they might even be able to launch “zero coupon perpetuals” allowing them to borrow without promising a coupon or a repayment date.


Just the other day, we had Christine Lagarde literally begging Eurozone governments to start spending all the money they ECB has spent the last ten years printing, so that European economies can start growing again and we can have sane interest rates so that pension funds can earn enough to allow us to retire: https://www.ft.com/content/0ff70e24-cef8-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f

In the UK though, it's as though basic facts on finance and fiscal policy don't exist. The level of hysteria and emotion and misinformation on here is something else.

Does nobody bother to check whether what they overhear online is actually true anymore?

I found it online by googling UK tax brackets and going on the official .gov site.
 
the tax rate was higher under Thatcher. I don't want the government to take any of my money in an ideal world, but I also want good schools, hospitals, children not starving in poverty, good trains/infastructure, the elderly being treated with dignity etc. You can't have both. I know what my priority would be.

If we're using Thatcher as a bar here that's not great is it?
 
If nothing else, Corbyn has the motive of a no deal Brexit bang on.

Bang on the nail. Not a fan, but on that, he is correct. Just a shame too few folk on the Leave side can see the real reason their fears and prejudices were tickled. As a daily glance at their posts in the EU thread will confirm.
 
Jezza, writing out all the stuff he needs to bring with him to No.10:

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"Dont forget me spades and forks and bamboo canes for the rose garden allotment.
Put me complete collection of Tony Benn's Diaries in a marked tea-chest.
Pack the Nelson Mandela Roben Island commemorative mugs with bubble wrap.

...and buy that fea-bitten 'kin moggie some cat food, I suppose, just to shut the media divvies up"
 
So I did hear that correctly then. And also force pharmas to sell drugs at a price he says to the NHS.

Utterly bonkers. Not sure even how legal that would be with patent laws etc.

Even aside from the viability of it all, he's just repeating the same mistakes of the 2017 manifesto by pledging to do pretty much everything except turn water to wine. I don't doubt that the Tories have been hopeless, but this parliament has done practically nothing but Brexit in 3 years, yet Corbyn says he'll not only solve Brexit in 6 months, but nationalise private schools, railways, water companies and create a public energy company, whilst at the same time creating a new publicly owned generic drug company, introducing a National Education Service and goodness only knows what else.

The man's utterly deluded. If he managed 10% of that in the next parliament I dare say that would be a cracking result, yet he continues to treat people like gullible fools by promising things he can't possibly deliver. A complete fantasist, and his behaviour betrays the fact that he's spent his entire political life dreaming up wishlists that he's never once had to actually implement.
 
There was a study done, I think in Sweden, showing that working shorter weeks didn't adversely affect productivity.


You know the party you vote for wants to do away with the NHS right Joe?
I have never voted for such party , plus that hand vote at the conference yesterday was a joke ....
Jezza, writing out all the stuff he needs to bring with him to No.10:

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"Dont forget me spades and forks and bamboo canes for the rose garden allotment.
Put me complete collection of Tony Benn's Diaries in a marked tea-chest.
Pack the Nelson Mandela Roben Island commemorative mugs with bubble wrap.

...and buy that fea-bitten 'kin moggie some cat food, I suppose, just to shut the media divvies up"
Don't forget his binoculars as that's the only way he will see no 10....... scared of a GE ,,,,,,,,
 
Yep, £2bn for that and all.

Incidentally, the 'gigafactory' built by Tesla and Panasonic for batteries cost $5bn back in 2014, which is about the same as the facility they're building in China. 7 countries had touted themselves as a home for their European factory, with Germany the frontrunner.

Building three of them though for half the price that a company with a pretty strong track record of building battery factories manages to build one doesn't seem entirely realistic.

Oh Jeremy Corbyn
Is full of crap

Oh, and the few British companies that have any expertise in this stuff are Johnson Matthey Battery Systems, who do batteries for Jaguar, Rolls Royce et al. They're headquartered in Dundee, and their production facility is in Poland, and Hyperdrive Innovation, who are based in Sunderland. Or nowhere near any of his proposed sites in South Wales, Stoke and Swindon. The factories aren't all, as they also pledged to invest £3bn in car manufacturers themselves in return for a cut of any profits they make from electric vehicles.
 
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