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Why would the 21 vote for it? And if any deal is agreed by the EU it will defo not be agreeable to the DUP, because the EU only sees massive movement in accepting the backstop from the UK side as acceptable. That would mean a massive Labour revolt to get it through. Not happening.

Because the 21 already voted for Mays Deal and any deal other than a no deal will get their support. The ERG are being whipped into shape and they’ve already seen how ruthless Boris is. The DUP will see a bigger threat to them from any Corbyn government and will vote it through with another Billion or two going their way.....
 
Maybe because Lansman is not mind controlling Corbyn like hyperbolics like to pretend, just views being presented and debated. Unlike Cummings and Johnson, should that be the other way round!?
I dont like Lansman. I dont trust him. He won a victory a couple of years back to shut out of Momentum a lot of people on the left, and hasn't used its force to reshape the LP enough. His move last night is bizarre in light of that.
 
Because the 21 already voted for Mays Deal and any deal other than a no deal will get their support. The ERG are being whipped into shape and they’ve already seen how ruthless Boris Cummings is. The DUP will see a bigger threat to them from any Corbyn government and will vote it through with another Billion or two going their way.....

Fixed that for you!
 
Because the 21 already voted for Mays Deal and any deal other than a no deal will get their support. The ERG are being whipped into shape and they’ve already seen how ruthless Boris is. The DUP will see a bigger threat to them from any Corbyn government and will vote it through with another Billion or two going their way.....
Some have joined other parties since or just resigned from politics or, like Grieve, simply want Remain.

You cant count 21 back in the Johnson column, I'm afraid.

As for the DUP: they'll never agree to a backstop. Take a look at where negotiations are at currently on the Irish backstop: the EU have stated yesterday the UK position hasn't changed.
 
Some have joined other parties since or just resigned from politics or, like Grieve, simply want Remain.

You cant count 21 back in the Johnson column, I'm afraid.

As for the DUP: they'll never agree to a backstop. Take a look at where negotiations are at currently on the Irish backstop: the EU have stated yesterday the UK position hasn't changed.

We shall see....
 
Ertant MPs eh? Like good old Corbyn for the first 20 odd years of his time in Westminster? The hypocrisy of Corbyn and his Momentum gang is astounding!
You're missing the point: there is no disciplining of errant MPs. There is no witch-hunt of the Blairites. Those who left went under their own steam. There is no witch-hunt like the one the left had to endure under the "moderate" Kinnock in the 80s and his Blairite proteges in the 90s. That's when the entryism took place and when the real blood-letting happened. All against the left by "the moderates".

The LP leadership have been more than accomodating with its detractors. More fool them I say; they should have ordered a root and branch purge of the party post-2017 election when they had the time to and cracked the party in two if need be to get the free-market worshippers out.
 
You're missing the point: there is no disciplining of errant MPs. There is no witch-hunt of the Blairites. Those who left went under their own steam. There is no witch-hunt like the one the left had to endure under the "moderate" Kinnock in the 80s and his Blairite proteges in the 90s. That's when the entryism took place and when the real blood-letting happened. All against the left by "the moderates".

The LP leadership have been more than accomodating with its detractors. More fool them I say; they should have ordered a root and branch purge of the party post-2017 election when they had the time to and cracked the party in two if need be to get the free-market worshippers out.

You're nuts! You realise the world has moved on since the 70s and early 80s? No witch hunt of Blairites?! You're having a laugh! The atmosphere in constituency labour parties is toxic in my experience fkr anyone (like me) expressing a pro-business viewpoint. The era of nationalisation and naive rants about the evils of capitalism should be long gone in my book.

Kinnock was a hero in my book for saving the Labour party from oblivion.

The sad thing now is Labour, like the Tories, are playing to a tiny hard core of their support representing maybe 5/10% of the electorate. I'm staying to fight my corner in my local labour party but its bloody hard work constantly having to argue the odds with people that sometimes have never had a proper job in their lives.
 
Makes me laugh when people say there's been no attempt to 'purge' the Labour party...

Even just this week, they're getting rid of the student body that represents them because they're not left wing enough.

It's a constant, insidious ideological push to make the party 'pure'. There's absolutely no attempt to be electable; it's all about the ideology.

yeah, right:

In January 2019, my society’s formal affiliation with NOLS was acknowledged, with affiliation that entitled us to delegate representation at their annual conference and gave our members the right to vote in their committee elections – if they individually joined for £1 a year. This was to be a momentous year, we hoped, as for the first time we thought there was a real chance that a left-wing committee with unwavering conviction to OMOV could be elected. These candidates ran on the fantastic Labour Students Left slate, which we endorsed as a society, along with 27 others of the 42 affiliated Labour clubs and societies across the country.

With our sights set on transforming NOLS, we applied to our students’ union (SUSU) for a grant to fund the travel and accommodation expenses for the conference in Edinburgh. Unbeknownst to us, our delegates were not to be allowed in. In an apparent effort by the previous NOLS committee to undermine democratisation, countless obstacles were put in place to complicate the process of registering as a delegate or to receive a simple email ballot. For example, in order to receive a ballot, each NOLS member from our society had to individually email then-Secretary Sheri-Ann Bhim proving their membership.

The delegate registration process was equally convoluted. One of our delegates, Beth Saul, realised she would not be allowed to attend just days before, having bought tickets and transport with our grant. Our other delegate, Harry McSweeney, travelled all the way to Edinburgh only to be turned away at the door. Not only was this frustrating on political grounds, but the uncertainty and confusion of being in a new place with nowhere to go took an emotional toll on our delegate.

Despite the refusal of our delegates, we remained hopeful that our members’ individual votes in the committee elections would be counted. Yet, despite the Labour Students Left slate receiving endorsement from the majority of affiliated clubs/societies and hundreds of individual members, their candidates ‘lost’ in every single election. The abridged results were swiftly released on March 7th: every candidate with direct or indirect endorsement from the outgoing committee won. Significantly, the full details of the number of ballots counted and the distribution of the vote share were not included.

Suspicions around the legitimacy of the elections arose immediately and, within a matter of days, a wave of disaffiliations from clubs and societies that had backed the Labour Students Left slate began. Overall, 21 clubs and societies disaffiliated from NOLS, including Southampton University Labour Society, where we passed a motion of disaffiliation on April 6th. Staying solidly true to their character of opacity and disregard for their members, NOLS took until the July 25th to acknowledge our disaffiliation after we sent them multiple emails and tweets declaring our departure.

On August 23rd, a full breakdown of the election results was finally provided after four long months. The breakdown proved all our suspicions to be true: of the 28,000 Labour members paying student rates (according to a recent NEC memo), 507 votes were counted. To put that into context, Durham University Labour Club alone has over 400 members.
 
You're nuts! You realise the world has moved on since the 70s and early 80s? No witch hunt of Blairites?! You're having a laugh! The atmosphere in constituency labour parties is toxic in my experience fkr anyone (like me) expressing a pro-business viewpoint. The era of nationalisation and naive rants about the evils of capitalism should be long gone in my book.

Kinnock was a hero in my book for saving the Labour party from oblivion.


The sad thing now is Labour, like the Tories, are playing to a tiny hard core of their support representing maybe 5/10% of the electorate. I'm staying to fight my corner in my local labour party but its bloody hard work constantly having to argue the odds with people that sometimes have never had a proper job in their lives.
Ha Ha Ha.

Find another party.
 
You're nuts! You realise the world has moved on since the 70s and early 80s? No witch hunt of Blairites?! You're having a laugh! The atmosphere in constituency labour parties is toxic in my experience fkr anyone (like me) expressing a pro-business viewpoint. The era of nationalisation and naive rants about the evils of capitalism should be long gone in my book.

Kinnock was a hero in my book for saving the Labour party from oblivion.

The sad thing now is Labour, like the Tories, are playing to a tiny hard core of their support representing maybe 5/10% of the electorate. I'm staying to fight my corner in my local labour party but its bloody hard work constantly having to argue the odds with people that sometimes have never had a proper job in their lives.

An odd witch-hunt that.
 
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