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Eggs said:
...i’m not for one minute saying the Conservatives are clever. To the contrary. Labour have an open goal but are being driven by a militant membership that have little appeal, except to themselves.
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The "militant mebership" want to take the LP to a Remain position in the GE.
 
Eggs said:
...as I said, Labour are not very clever.
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Wish I could like this post several times over. Labour apparently at war just when we need them to be (or even just appear) united.

I'll put my head above the parapet here and admit to being a self confessed Blairite. Never really got too involved in politics but I've been involved in social housing for 25 years and my wife in the NHS for over 30 and the best times we had for both sectors has been under a Balir government. I'm sure you could argue how much better they'd be under a Corbyn labour government but there a far too many "floaters" or centrists as you like who will not vote for this current Labour Party and therefore you can have all the well meaning policies in the world, they are worthless if you can't enact them

Its going to be a difficult circle to square for the Labour leadership and I don't think they are capable of doing it.
 
'sake.

Watson's going to survive being ousted. Corbyn stating that the Deputy Leader role is under review, not abolishment.
 
tsubaki said:
The problem there is that "get wise" means go hand-in-hand with Murdoch.

Labour could come up with any leader or any policy, however popular, legitimate, effective or desperately needed and a big section of the Press would still be banging the "Marxists / a bit weird / not really British / they are a risk to your jobs and will ruin your kids" drum, as they have at every election where they weren't bought off for the past 90 years. Thinking that all they need to do is change the leader is to ignore the history of them attacking every leader like that.
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So what's your solution to this then? How do labour get their message out there without the support of the Murdoch press?
 
hirons11 said:
Wish I could like this post several times over. Labour apparently at war just when we need them to be (or even just appear) united.

I'll put my head above the parapet here and admit to being a self confessed Blairite. Never really got too involved in politics but I've been involved in social housing for 25 years and my wife in the NHS for over 30 and the best times we had for both sectors has been under a Balir government. I'm sure you could argue how much better they'd be under a Corbyn labour government but there a far too many "floaters" or centrists as you like who will not vote for this current Labour Party and therefore you can have all the well meaning policies in the world, they are worthless if you can't enact them

Its going to be a difficult circle to square for the Labour leadership and I don't think they are capable of doing it.
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It will be difficult - though I really wish those centrists would look at what is loose in the world, what is in charge of our country right now and what they have done to it, and then ask themselves what they are doing to try and stop it.

Reaching for the Macron / Trudeau / Blair / Clinton comfort blanket will not cut it.
 
davek said:
The clever party culls 21 MPs and has the ERG running government for it.
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The clever party swiftly dismissed the 21, the clever party is now also threatening the ERG with the same. The clever party will sort out a deal and get the 21 and the ERG voting for the government.....
 
peteblue said:
The clever party swiftly dismissed the 21, the clever party is now also threatening the ERG with the same. The clever party will sort out a deal and get the 21 and the ERG voting for the government.....
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...if there is a deal it'll be May's deal essentially.

Farage will love that. Now he IS a clever man.
 
hirons11 said:
So what's your solution to this then? How do labour get their message out there without the support of the Murdoch press?
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Attack it, head on like Miliband should have done.

He could have made that 2015 election into one of him vs a group that had taken over the government, who exploited dead kids for money, who corrupted cops, doctors, prison officers, army personnel and who hacked in to wherever and whoever they liked solely in order to make money out of it. Who lied continuously, who deliberately attacked vulnerable people and groups and who had backed every disaster this country has been involved with. He'd already gone a lot of the way with Leveson, and should have pushed it home - he would have won, probably by a long way.

Instead he scratched things on a fake stone and came up with anti-immigrant crockery.
 
tsubaki said:
It will be difficult - though I really wish those centrists would look at what is loose in the world, what is in charge of our country right now and what they have done to it, and then ask themselves what they are doing to try and stop it.

Reaching for the Macron / Trudeau / Blair / Clinton comfort blanket will not cut it.
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Indeed. The human race I believe is very self centred by nature (through evolution). Its difficult to have a go at anyone who wants to make the life of more people better rather than for the few but at some point some recognition of the point raised above needs to be realised and therefore for the purposes of getting elected moderate your actions and policies. You can move further to your heartfelt aims afterwards.

Call it cynical if you like but been around too long to say the world works in any other way. Not enough truly good people around I'm afraid and I probably include myself in that description.
 
davek said:
...if there is a deal it'll be May's deal essentially.

Farage will love that. Now he IS a clever man.
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Of course. So if a deal is done and voted through then Farage is history, if a no deal happens Farage is history and happy, if parliament screws it all up again we may have a GE in which case Farage will attempt to take the Labour Leave seats and do a deal with Boris and we will then leave with no deal. A lot of permutations still.....
 
peteblue said:
Of course. So if a deal is done and voted through then Farage is history, if a no deal happens Farage is history and happy, if parliament screws it all up again we may have a GE in which case Farage will attempt to take the Labour Leave seats and do a deal with Boris and we will then leave with no deal. A lot of permutations still.....
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If any deal other than no deal is struck Farage sees that as a declaration of war and is committed to fielding 625 candidates up and down the country. If they take anything like 10%+ of the vote nationally that makes a Tory majority almost impossible to achieve.
 
davek said:
If any deal other than no deal is struck Farage sees that as a declaration of war and is committed to fielding 625 candidates up and down the country. If they take anything like 10%+ of the vote nationally that makes a Tory majority almost impossible to achieve.
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If Boris gets a deal done and we leave the EU, Farage will get very few votes because people on all sides are getting fed up with it all....
 
peteblue said:
So either Corbyn is a statesman or he bottled it....
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... or someone being deselected / purged has once again failed to actually occur.

I'd hope people might actually notice that this happens quite frequently, but we will no doubt be here again in a couple of weeks time.
 
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