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[Bruce Wayne]

Mmmm, Jon Lansman the purger of moderates, sounding like an anti-Semite troupe, be careful now...

However you want to brand them, there has been a move to get rid of Blairites from the party. You only have to look at the comments of Dave over the past few months to see the hate with which he views them. If his views are representative of the Lansman/Momentum position, it's not a great look. and no different to the awful behaviour of Johnson in taking the whip away from 21 Tories or threatening to break convention and stand against the speaker.

If the party don't want to appear extremist, then this kind of thing is perhaps best avoided.

 

[davek]

The ones that were successful in making Labour not just electable but stay in government for 3 terms? Righto.

You can have a moderate modern Labour party in power or you can have a 70's/80's variant and watch on the sidelines while Johnson does whatever he wants to the country. The sad thing is you'll pick the latter all day long.

A moderate LP is one that plays by Tory rules and worships the market. I'll decline that option.

 

[Billy Dean]

However you want to brand them, there has been a move to get rid of Blairites from the party. You only have to look at the comments of Dave over the past few months to see the hate with which he views them. If his views are representative of the Lansman/Momentum position, it's not a great look. and no different to the awful behaviour of Johnson in taking the whip away from 21 Tories or threatening to break convention and stand against the speaker.

If the party don't want to appear extremist, then this kind of thing is perhaps best avoided.

They're all just as bad as each other in this respect. Tories purging 21 MPs, the Labour left getting rid of Watson, and let's not forget Watson himself who's been plotting to get rid of Corbyn since 2015. He's just been beaten to the punch.

 

[davek]

...the move will only appeal to the Corbynists. It’s another example of Labour not being clever. Regardless of what you think, Labour need to attract Conservative voters as well as moderate section of the electorate. Tom Watson appeals to many members of the public more than Corbyn.

Labour continue to shoot themselves in the foot when we most need them.

No one gives a toss about party unity amongst this electorate: Johnson culled 21 MPs and his ratings got higher.

Watson is a trouble maker. My only regret about this is that he wasn't dumped earlier. He should be in the Lib Dems with all the other Blairite rats.

 

[davek]

Well that was a peculiar interview with Dawn Butler on R4 It's interesting by the way that the purge of moderates from the Tories by Johnson/Cummings was (rightly) seen as a land grab by the fringe of the party, whereas the same purge of moderates from Labour isn't seen as a reflection that Labour has been taken over by the fringe. Pete and Dave are really not so different. Different sides of the same coin.

Purge of the moderates. Ha Ha. It's just Tom Watson.

I wish it was a purge...a well overdue one.

 

[davek]

However you want to brand them, there has been a move to get rid of Blairites from the party. You only have to look at the comments of Dave over the past few months to see the hate with which he views them. If his views are representative of the Lansman/Momentum position, it's not a great look. and no different to the awful behaviour of Johnson in taking the whip away from 21 Tories or threatening to break convention and stand against the speaker.

If the party don't want to appear extremist, then this kind of thing is perhaps best avoided.

My position has always been: reclaim the old LP shorn of the neo-liberal entryists (or as you call them "moderates"); damn the election results for the time being. In any case, it's an election "the moderates" in the LP desperately dont want to see Labour do well in.

I just hope it goes beyond Watson and we see a full deselection process rolled out.

 

[tsubaki]

However you want to brand them, there has been a move to get rid of Blairites from the party. You only have to look at the comments of Dave over the past few months to see the hate with which he views them. If his views are representative of the Lansman/Momentum position, it's not a great look. and no different to the awful behaviour of Johnson in taking the whip away from 21 Tories or threatening to break convention and stand against the speaker.

If the party don't want to appear extremist, then this kind of thing is perhaps best avoided.

er - there has been no move to get rid of Blairites from the party; in fact there has been very little action taken against anyone from the right for how they have behaved over these past four years.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

er - there has been no move to get rid of Blairites from the party; in fact there has been very little action taken against anyone from the right for how they have behaved over these past four years.

No talk of deselections?

70 Labour MPs face deselection threat before next general election

MPs have until Monday to inform the Labour executive whether they intend to stand in the next election, opening up the prospect of 'trigger ballots'

inews.co.uk

Or this

Momentum announces drive to help Labour members deselect MPs

Exclusive: Group says process will clear way for greater diversity in parliament

www.theguardian.com

 

[davek]

No talk of deselections?

70 Labour MPs face deselection threat before next general election

MPs have until Monday to inform the Labour executive whether they intend to stand in the next election, opening up the prospect of 'trigger ballots'

inews.co.uk

Or this

Momentum announces drive to help Labour members deselect MPs

Exclusive: Group says process will clear way for greater diversity in parliament

www.theguardian.com

"Move to"

"Talk of"


...you see his point?

 

[tsubaki]

No talk of deselections?

70 Labour MPs face deselection threat before next general election

MPs have until Monday to inform the Labour executive whether they intend to stand in the next election, opening up the prospect of 'trigger ballots'

inews.co.uk

Or this

Momentum announces drive to help Labour members deselect MPs

Exclusive: Group says process will clear way for greater diversity in parliament

www.theguardian.com

"Talk of deselections" - after four years where the right has been continually talking of deselections (and after they kicked thousands of people out of the party in 2016 because they thought it would help them win that leadership contest).

 

[davek]

Watson, btw, the party's deputy leader, hasn't attended a Shadow Cabinet meeting for two months.

He's kicked himself out...hopefully.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

"Talk of deselections" - after four years where the right has been continually talking of deselections (and after they kicked thousands of people out of the party in 2016 because they thought it would help them win that leadership contest).

Well nine did leave before they were pushed?

 

[davek]

Well nine did leave before they were pushed?

Ha Ha...they were ousted via telekinesis.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

However you want to brand them, there has been a move to get rid of Blairites from the party. You only have to look at the comments of Dave over the past few months to see the hate with which he views them. If his views are representative of the Lansman/Momentum position, it's not a great look. and no different to the awful behaviour of Johnson in taking the whip away from 21 Tories or threatening to break convention and stand against the speaker.

If the party don't want to appear extremist, then this kind of thing is perhaps best avoided.

Its a debate and then vote by Labour national executive, a good example of Democrat process.

The expulsion of 21 Tories, was a tactical move by the leadership of Cummings and Johnson, to tackle the Brexit Party dilemma.

They are not in my mind even similar...

 

[Eggs]

No one gives a toss about party unity amongst this electorate: Johnson culled 21 MPs and his ratings got higher.

Watson is a trouble maker. My only regret about this is that he wasn't dumped earlier. He should be in the Lib Dems with all the other Blairite rats.

...as I said, Labour are not very clever.