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Bruce Wayne said:
Let's just remember that May's withdrawal agreement had support from the EU too, and it tanked in Westminster. That Tusk gave it lukewarm support is hardly a guarantee that Jezzer will be the saviour of Brexit, much less an indication that he'd do any better job of it than May herself. And just for clarification, I think the EU are sick of us, but there are no shortage of proposals that 'they' would find workable. It's the British parliament that are the sticking point, and as we've seen with his attempts to rally the opposition ranks, let alone pull in moderate Tories, Corbyn is catnip to a great many parliamentarians, so you'll have to forgive me if I find the idea of him rounding up enough people to pass any Brexit deal extremely remote.
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Is that not why, if you go back to the country to determine the most acceptable activity, it provides the direction Parliament need to agree on a course of action?
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Not his fault that his political opponents and biased media have dressed him up as some mind control Marxist socialist and now clucking like the morning call when he demonstrates yet again he is more than comfortable to let people decide. The cognitive dissonance applied to Corbyn by his opponents are some of the finest examples double think.
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See also his supporters. He is a uniquely blank canvas that people manage to project all their hopes/fears onto regardless of the things he says or does.
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
See also his supporters. He is a uniquely blank canvas that people manage to project all their hopes/fears onto regardless of the things he says or does.
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Not really. Corbyn got (and gets) support because he actually is the best leader Labour have at the present, as the continued failure to develop or promote any alternative candidate shows. This notion that people only support him because of the cult is as offensive as it is wrong.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Is that not why, if you go back to the country to determine the most acceptable activity, it provides the direction Parliament need to agree on a course of action?
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It just seems disingenuous that a politician whose overwhelming mantra is to have big government making all manner of decisions and choices on behalf of the population, suddenly wants to palm off such a huge decision to them because it suits him. Remember, most of the decisions he wants to remove via nationalization are ones that the public have way more knowledge over than whether staying in the EU is good or not.

It smacks of weak leadership at best, and opportunism at worst.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
He is either Marxist that wants the state to prescribe how we live or blank canvas, yes indeed double think!
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I think you have misunderstood what I said. What I was arguing is that people who support Corbyn seem incapable of seeing any bad in him. They will bend over backwards to justify anything that he does. Conversely, his critics are incapable of recognising anything positive in his approach. They will twist his words and actions to prove, as you say that he is a "Marxist that wants the state to prescribe how we live".

The poster I quoted stated one side of this equation, I stated the other.
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
I think you have misunderstood what I said. What I was arguing is that people who support Corbyn seem incapable of seeing any bad in him. They will bend over backwards to justify anything that he does. Conversely, his critics are incapable of recognising anything positive in his approach. They will twist his words and actions to prove, as you say that he is a "Marxist that wants the state to prescribe how we live".

The poster I quoted stated one side of this equation, I stated the other.
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He is actually a Democrat the nearest to absolute definition there is at moment. That's the problem there are people who like to be lead and there are those of us who actively like to be involved.

Not one myself to listen and heed to a leader barking sound bites of their latest think tank lobby endorsed big idea, reeks of our colonial hierarchy, yes sir no sir three bags full madam, an era best assigned to history now.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
He is actually a Democrat the nearest to absolute definition there is at moment. That's the problem there are people who like to be lead and there are those of us who actively like to be involved.

Not one myself to listen and heed to a leader barking sound bites of their latest think tank lobby endorsed big idea, reeks of our colonial hierarchy, yes sir no sir three bags full madam, an era best assigned to history now.
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Which is kind of what i'm saying. You can look at him and see a champion of involved democracy. Others see an inflexible ideologue who doesn't listen to anybody.

The truth, as ever, probably lies somewhere in between.
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
Which is kind of what i'm saying. You can look at him and see a champion of involved democracy. Others see an inflexible ideologue who doesn't listen to anybody.

The truth, as ever, probably lies somewhere in between.
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The inflexible ideologue who doesn't listen to anybody. However is being berated for letting the people decide Brexit. I repeat the truth is double think!:)
 
Bruce Wayne said:
So he'll be reducing taxes to let people decide how best to spend their own money?
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Hopefully he will increases some taxes to improve people lives, I like the idea of well funded Police, NHS, Fire Local Authorities etc.

Although open to the idea of pulling these services from those who no longer want to contribute appropriately through taxes, their libertarian values could negotiate with the various insurance policies...
 
Bruce Wayne said:
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YouGov.

Pfffft!

Even more politically weaponised than other pollsters.

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