summerisle
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There is no fool like a Brexit fool.
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davek
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Eh?
Must surely be worrying that although just 36% of people think Johnson is a decent prime minister, just 16% think Corbyn would be one. Regardless of the polling company used, Corbyn has always scored lower than the other leaders. When will the coffee start to be smelled?
The thing is, I now think that a massive combination of factors will gift Corbyn and Labour power in a coalition government at the next election.
- Johnson being almost as divisive as Corbyn.
- The fatigue of Tory chaos in government for many years with austerity.
- The general shift towards remain and/or the massive concensus of needing to leave with a deal bare minimum in the country.
What's more worrying, however, is the long term state of our politics. With both parties abandoning common sense and no viable alternative existing, our democracy overall is in massive danger.
davek
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That's disengenuous, as well you know. What leader from Corbyn's background faced with a hostile media is going to win popularity polls?
In any case, our elections are (just) still about message.
NilSatisOptimum
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Imagine John Mann outrage tonight, how must be feel at Amber's little shuffle, 20 mins into the news and noone has mentioned him...
davek
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A horrible 'kin rat of a man.
tsubaki
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Indeed. Imagine looking at this government, after this week, and thinking "yes, I will sign up for that".
tsubaki
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Bruce he has had four years of daily, multi-source reports calling him a traitor, a friend to terrorists, an anti-semite, someone who hates Britain etc etc. If he hasn't said anything controversial, then things are twisted to make it look as if he has.
We've even had a couple of weeks of "his wifes artisinal coffee brand is exploitative... well, not as exploitative as the mainstream coffee brands but still"
davek
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Pond scum. The upside is that he's out of the LP and the air smells a lot cleaner.
Socrates
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Let me get this straight. I keep hearing Corbyn has been an ineffectual opposition leader.
However, so far:
He's defeated the government 41 times in 1454 days. Margaret Thatcher defeated the government 40 times in 1544 days.
Among those defeats were the biggest, 3 biggest and 4th biggest in parliamentary history.
He's gone through 2 PMs and has a 3rd dangling from a stick.
The financial markets rise on the prospect of him becoming PM.
All this while presiding over his own divided party including party defections and a dishonest press.
Yes. I say dishonest.
What else would you call it when 75% of the articles about him contain false, inaccurate or misleading material?
www.independent.co.uk
As far as integrity goes, if he let a no deal Brexit go through, he would be proved correct about the effects and would win in a landslide.
Instead, that he makes sure it won't happen before a GE which would affect his chances of winning that GE shows he's willing to put country before self, something Johnson doesn't understand the concept of.
And one final thought. He appears to be the only one who takes it seriously. Unlike the government front bench who treat it all as a game.
He continually shows up the PM in PMQs. May before and the magnificent skewering of Johnson in their one and perhaps only session.
The only response they have is "Soundbite, vague question back, insult."
Great for banter in the pub. Hardly edifying from the leader of the nation.
If that's ineffectual then he's being held to higher standards than anyone in public life ever, let alone politics.
However, so far:
He's defeated the government 41 times in 1454 days. Margaret Thatcher defeated the government 40 times in 1544 days.
Among those defeats were the biggest, 3 biggest and 4th biggest in parliamentary history.
He's gone through 2 PMs and has a 3rd dangling from a stick.
The financial markets rise on the prospect of him becoming PM.
All this while presiding over his own divided party including party defections and a dishonest press.
Yes. I say dishonest.
What else would you call it when 75% of the articles about him contain false, inaccurate or misleading material?
We can’t ignore the media bias against Jeremy Corbyn anymore
We all want and need a strong and a critical media, but maybe we do not need an attack dog that kills off anyone who challenges the status quo
www.independent.co.uk
As far as integrity goes, if he let a no deal Brexit go through, he would be proved correct about the effects and would win in a landslide.
Instead, that he makes sure it won't happen before a GE which would affect his chances of winning that GE shows he's willing to put country before self, something Johnson doesn't understand the concept of.
And one final thought. He appears to be the only one who takes it seriously. Unlike the government front bench who treat it all as a game.
He continually shows up the PM in PMQs. May before and the magnificent skewering of Johnson in their one and perhaps only session.
The only response they have is "Soundbite, vague question back, insult."
Great for banter in the pub. Hardly edifying from the leader of the nation.
If that's ineffectual then he's being held to higher standards than anyone in public life ever, let alone politics.
....despite their troubles the Tories currently have a 14 point lead in the polls. Crazy.
It’s fine for Corbyn supporters that the likes of Luciana Berger defects, but Labour needs to attract centre ground voters to win the next election with a working majority. Decent thinking, moderate people don’t like the way Berger was bullied and don’t like the baggage Corbyn carries.
Labour hasn’t been clever in appealing to the centre ground, it’s appeal is to a similar thinking fringe that argue the Party are doing things exactly right. It needs to attract people who voted Tory last time around.
It’s fine for Corbyn supporters that the likes of Luciana Berger defects, but Labour needs to attract centre ground voters to win the next election with a working majority. Decent thinking, moderate people don’t like the way Berger was bullied and don’t like the baggage Corbyn carries.
Labour hasn’t been clever in appealing to the centre ground, it’s appeal is to a similar thinking fringe that argue the Party are doing things exactly right. It needs to attract people who voted Tory last time around.
summerisle
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orchard
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Amazing isn't it, all the mental gymnastics to support a media message from the very same sources that have been demonstrated to be wrong, inaccurate, biased, and lying outright.
...fair point, polls cannot be trusted but the Labour Party still needs to convert Conservative voters.
Tony Blair’s Labour Party was savvy enough to do it, and this Labour Party needs to appeal more to the centre ground. It’s policies will attract, but it needs to manage its day to day governance in a more moderate manner.
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