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[Bruce Wayne]

Tories purging moderates is only following the lead Labour set months ago. Really not sure anyone but extremists are cheered by either move tbh.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

There's just that burning issue Dave that a big number of safe labour seats voted overwhelmingly to leave.

If they commit to remain, they'll lose the majoirty of those voters to Johnson or the Brexit Party, surely?

Unless they're expecting the people who have been called thick (mostly by students and hipsters with beards and those stupid illustrations of themselves as profile photos on twitter) for the last three years to change their minds. Don't get me wrong, I think some of them will have changed their minds. But I don't think it'll be a majority of them. I'm from one of the safest Labour seats in the country (or at least it was in the last gen election), and it voted to leave.

All this Labour Leave seats in the North..

I understand, say Wakefield, may have voted 68% Leave or whatever but that's 68% of the electorate. It's not 68% of Labour supporters. It's an important difference. I believe a large majority of Labour supporters are for Remain.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There seems a risk (to me at least) that the Tories rather than moving to the centre as you would expect in an election, are actually retreating into Brexit Party extremism, and therefore shrinking their base because they're being driven by the tiny minority of un-representative members who voted for Johnson. Does that picture sound familiar to anyone?

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[dholliday]

Or that tweeter is a troll/bot. The rose in their name and the ridiculous number of accounts they follow is a dead giveaway. No actual person could follow 107,000 people.

i didn't link a tweet, snouts.

 

[dholliday]

There seems a risk (to me at least) that the Tories rather than moving to the centre as you would expect in an election, are actually retreating into Brexit Party extremism, and therefore shrinking their base because they're being driven by the tiny minority of un-representative members who voted for Johnson. Does that picture sound familiar to anyone?

sounds like a great time to have an election...

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Thornberry is a waffler. I cant imagine her in a court room if she's a barrister; they're usually concise and measured and dont use woolly language.

The answer to any question over what Labour party policy is is that it's heading in the direction of a remain ticket but is yet to be rubber stamped. That's it. Full stop.

I cant believe how lacking in verbal skills these front line MPs are.

That more to do with questions being posed, because the many journalist will go along the lines, Johnson wants out, why are Labour plans not as clear and concsise, like the Conservative Government, they show leadership direction (despite continuing heading into car crash). And on and on, much of the TV news is appealing to the lowest common denominator...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

sounds like a great time to have an election...

Depends what it will solve. When you've got Labour having the muddled strategy of wanting to renegotiate Brexit only to then have a 2nd referendum where they would campaign against the deal they'd just negotiated, or a Tory party hellbent on leading the country to the far right, I'm not sure a general election will clarify matters a great deal.

 

[BlueToff]

All this Labour Leave seats in the North..

I understand, say Wakefield, may have voted 68% Leave or whatever but that's 68% of the electorate. It's not 68% of Labour supporters. It's an important difference. I believe a large majority of Labour supporters are for Remain.

The constituencies in my area are made up of former mining towns/pit villages.

These are the same people - the older generation - that get 'blamed' for voting out.

They are labour voters.

Your belief, in the case of the area around here, is misplaced.

I can't comment on other areas. But I'm not dim enough to not know my own area.

My constituency is Hemsworth. A very safe Labour seat up until and including 2017. It also voted overwhelmingly out.

 

[BlueToff]

That more to do with questions being posed, because the many journalist will go along the lines, Johnson wants out, why are Labour plans not as clear and concsise, like the Conservative Government, they show leadership direction (despite continuing heading into car crash). And on and on, much of the TV news is appealing to the lowest common denominator...

She didn't answer any questions.

Fiona Bruce posed a very simple question. In fact she posed two, to all of the politicians who were demanding a GE. Give us a date. They couldn't answer. Like they never can answer a simple question.

This incredible stretching to try and defend these useless figures and blame the media is mental.

Both leave and remain got equal treatement yesterday. And they all flapped. Thornberry was the worst.

 

[orchard]

Depends what it will solve. When you've got Labour having the muddled strategy of wanting to renegotiate Brexit only to then have a 2nd referendum where they would campaign against the deal they'd just negotiated, or a Tory party hellbent on leading the country to the far right, I'm not sure a general election will clarify matters a great deal.

Any evidence of this? Maybe they know it'll be a free vote.
You just going to whinge and attack all and sundry until a50's revoked, or is there a glimmer of compromise in there, deep down?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Any evidence of this? Maybe they know it'll be a free vote.
You just going to whinge and attack all and sundry until a50's revoked, or is there a glimmer of compromise in there, deep down?

Just going by what Thornberry said on Question Time last night. Presumably she was briefed prior to going on there. I've said before, I can't really see a good outcome any more, as even if A50 is revoked and we stay in, the damage to our reputation and standing within the EU has been huge and I'm not sure we'd be a welcome partner any longer. So much goodwill has been destroyed in such a short space of time.

 

[dholliday]

Depends what it will solve. When you've got Labour having the muddled strategy of wanting to renegotiate Brexit only to then have a 2nd referendum where they would campaign against the deal they'd just negotiated, or a Tory party hellbent on leading the country to the far right, I'm not sure a general election will clarify matters a great deal.

i agree Labour are muddled, don't agree bojo's tories are far right.

rightwing, deffo. i'm not a fan and would prefer Corbyn's Labour to lead dear ol' blighty.

 

[flibbyflob]

Just watching it now, she's horrible.

I'm not saying that because I disagree with her. Johnson is a liar.

But she just comes across as a horrid, angry person.

The remain voter at the start who had a go at them all, and she just sits there arms cross shaking her head with utter contempt. Sickening.

The whole shouting over the top of everyone is something she does every time she is on the programme too. It says a lot about the panel when Dale came out of it looking the most balanced and sensible of the lot. The others were acting like toddlers trying to be the loudest and get heard.

 

[orchard]

Just going by what Thornberry said on Question Time last night. Presumably she was briefed prior to going on there. I've said before, I can't really see a good outcome any more, as even if A50 is revoked and we stay in, the damage to our reputation and standing within the EU has been huge and I'm not sure we'd be a welcome partner any longer. So much goodwill has been destroyed in such a short space of time.

So you want a 'hard-brexit' now?

Thankfully, and you know better than me, it seems that the eu see the Tory-US geopolitical maneuvering/attack for what it is, something that isn't a majority opinion in Parliament (and on the wane) , and when writ large, unpopular with the citizens.