Current Affairs The Labour Party

[Agent Blue]

How does charging corporations the same for loans as payday loan companies charge make anything fair exactly? You also get that companies use loans to expand operations, which keeps people in work, right?

An actual bonkers post that beautifully highlights why people aren’t fully on board with the lefts ideas.

That comment was made with tongue firmly embedded in cheek.

If corporations had to pay 1000% interest rates maybe then the less than well off might not have pay that much either. It seems to me that the poorer an individual is the more interest they have to pay. Yes, I am fully aware of how the capitalist system is supposed to work and it has been well publicised that firms are, and have been, finding it increasingly difficult to secure investment that the capitalist system should be providing.....but isn't. As a consequence of this and the shackling of the Unions an increasing number of people are finding themselves under employed (20 - 30 hrs per week) and are relying upon the state to top up their wages. Whilst at the same time those very same employers have benefitted from huge tax cuts from the Conservative party going right back to Thatcher who gave higher earners a 23% tax break in her very first budget whilst Joe public got 3%. Thanks to the Panama papers we can also see that even though higher earners have had massive tax breaks they still do not want to pay tax.

A typically bonkers post that beautifully illustrates the rights view of the working class.

 

[tsubaki]

For me, Shamima Begum was the straw that broke the camels back moment with Corbyn, by defending her right to legal aid (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...rbyn-defends-shamima-begum-right-to-legal-aid), why should ANY member of ISIS receive any form of aid from the British taxpayer.
His leadership over Brexit has been almost (but not quite) as shambolic as the Maybot and he has let the Blairites run riot within the party, although some of them have already left.
A more steely socialist who is a much better orator is needed I feel.

She has a right to legal aid though, she is a British citizen. Even someone as anti-Corbyn (and anti-Labour) as Stephen Pollard is says that.

 

[tsubaki]

Meanwhile, on the planet of twenty years ago....

“Over a significant period of time, including when we were last in government, politics has failed to find the right balance between diversity and integration,” Blair writes in a foreword to the report. “On the one hand, failures around integration have led to attacks on diversity and are partly responsible for a reaction against migration. On the other hand, the word multiculturalism has been misinterpreted as meaning a justified refusal to integrate, when it should never have meant that.


“Particularly now, when there is increasing evidence of far-right bigotry on the rise, it is important to establish the correct social contract around the rights and duties of citizens, including those who migrate to our country.”


The report backs a new form of “digital identity verification” – a return to Blair’s support for ID cards that caused huge divisions when the idea was pushed by his government and later abandoned. It also backs the idea of increased funding for language tuition and handing asylum seekers earlier access to work.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Meanwhile, on the planet of twenty years ago....

His fall from grace from his popularity in 97 has been spectacular. Loathed by left and right. His ego is too huge for him to realise this. His words mean nothing.

 

[dead_soft]

For me, Shamima Begum was the straw that broke the camels back moment with Corbyn, by defending her right to legal aid (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...rbyn-defends-shamima-begum-right-to-legal-aid), why should ANY member of ISIS receive any form of aid from the British taxpayer.
His leadership over Brexit has been almost (but not quite) as shambolic as the Maybot and he has let the Blairites run riot within the party, although some of them have already left.
A more steely socialist who is a much better orator is needed I feel.

I just don’t get why you would find a problem with someone who wants to defend the fundamental rights of British citizens.

 

[dead_soft]

Meanwhile, on the planet of twenty years ago....

Yeah, this is so insanely grim

 

[Agent Blue]

She has a right to legal aid though, she is a British citizen. Even someone as anti-Corbyn (and anti-Labour) as Stephen Pollard is says that.

My feeling though is that she should have had her citizenship revoked when she joined a terrorist organization such as ISIS. If she retains her citizenship and goes on to commit terrorist offences in this country how should we explain that to relatives of the victims.

 

[roydo]

Its weird this. Apparently you cannot revoke citizenship if that means someone is stateless. Makes sense I guess. But isnt she married to a Dutch bloke?

Or am I in the wrong thread?

 

[Aberblue]

Its weird this. Apparently you cannot revoke citizenship if that means someone is stateless. Makes sense I guess. But isnt she married to a Dutch bloke?

Or am I in the wrong thread?

I think you may be.

Current Affairs - Bethnal Green Three

One of the three girls that left UK to support ISIS had enough now and wants to come back for sake of her unborn child. Pays your money and takes your chance?

www.grandoldteam.com

 

[Agent Blue]

I just don’t get why you would find a problem with someone who wants to defend the fundamental rights of British citizens.

I only find a problem with British citizens who have joined terror organizations such as ISIS and possibly those who would defend them.

 

[dead_soft]

I only find a problem with British citizens who have joined terror organizations such as ISIS and possibly those who would defend them.

So you’re happy to judge people without trial?

 

[tsubaki]

My feeling though is that she should have had her citizenship revoked when she joined a terrorist organization such as ISIS. If she retains her citizenship and goes on to commit terrorist offences in this country how should we explain that to relatives of the victims.

... and if the government had done that with them and the rest of the people who went to join IS then they at least would be able to have some logical (and legal) basis for what they are doing. They didn't; her citizenship was revoked after she had left IS and made it to a refugee camp, where she was found by a journalist and ended up generating a headline that the government didn't like.

If you think that its fine to do that then that is your opinion, though honestly I am amazed anyone - especially on the left - thinks that there should be no challenge to the state when they do things like that.

 

[Agent Blue]

So you’re happy to judge people without trial?

Absolutely not, but she freely admits she was a member of ISIS and also seems very unrepentant about it as well. I feel that the moment she joined ISIS, that is the point at which she should have had her citizenship revoked and as a consequence not be receiving any sort of aid.

 

[Agent Blue]

... and if the government had done that with them and the rest of the people who went to join IS then they at least would be able to have some logical (and legal) basis for what they are doing. They didn't; her citizenship was revoked after she had left IS and made it to a refugee camp, where she was found by a journalist and ended up generating a headline that the government didn't like.

If you think that its fine to do that then that is your opinion, though honestly I am amazed anyone - especially on the left - thinks that there should be no challenge to the state when they do things like that.

Terrorism is about the only situation where I could countenance such measures and you're right this should have been done with the others as well.
It's not like we are trying to prove she is a member of a terrorist organization she freely admits it, and as I said in a previous post seems remarkably unrepentant.
I wouldn't agree with her retaining her citizenship but if she does, so be it, it is one of the benefits of living in a liberal democracy.
Something that ISIS would seek to deprive us of.

 

[Walken]

Really? That seems a particularly absurd thing to drive you away from him - I mean, he didn't support her, just pointed out that she was a British citizen.

Yeah, it was simply a humanitarian point of view, consistent with his ethos