May seems to have it all under control, better blame Corbyn again.....
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What do the people of Morecombe think I wonder? Jezzer was probably campaigning for remain there like he did in the referendum.
One million people marching for official Labour policy, with four million signing a petition for the same, and "oohhh Jeremy Corbyn" was instead in Morecambe delivering leaflets.
What a leader.
Have a referendum, then ditch May and Corbyn and start again.
Cut the referndum and have general election , two birds one stone May said she will not lead the Tories into the next one , Corbyn. If he doesn't win will have to go as well
(It isn't going to go away)
There seems to be a sizeable number of leave voters who are just unhappy with their circumstances. It's a dig at the government more than the EU. Better governance would therefore seem a good first step at moving on.
If Corbyn goes, I can easily see the party going even farther to the left.
It's an interesting one isn't it? I kinda get the impression the northern Labour voters (we can call them Joey if you like) aren't that keen on him, but vote Labour because a) they've always voted Labour, and b) they'd never vote Tory. I could see McDonnell appealing to this demographic more than Corbyn, and it's perhaps a moot point as to whether he or Corbyn are more left than the other. The younger demographic, especially those in larger cities seemed to be more enthusiastic supporters of Corbyn, but they're also more enthusiastic opponents of Brexit. I kinda sense that they're beginning to feel as betrayed by him on that as they felt by the Lib Dems over tuition fees.
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You're right that Corbyn is not wildly popular among the Joey vote, though I doubt McDonnell would come across any better in the media messaging they absorb. But this sensitivity helps explain the party's Brexit stance - as does the fact that even a small increase among the Joeys could deliver huge parliamentary gains in swing constituencies (whereas they can lose a lot of young people and still win London and university towns). Corbyn's ambiguity on Brexit may be enormously frustrating to educated urban liberals (we can call them Bruce if you like
) but no other competent Labour leader would have approached this context much differently - the suggestion that it stems from his personal idiosyncrasies is absurd.The supposed 'personality cult' around Corbyn is also vastly overstated, again mostly by people reluctant to come to terms with the economic context that made his candidacy so resonant in 2015. Sure, young people like the communal atmosphere of singing songs about him, and the novelty of a politician who articulates their views, but as with Sanders, they are drawn far more to his politics than his personality. Even if he ultimately disappoints them by settling on a soft Brexit rather than a second vote, he has made Labour far and away the only option they have on no less central issues like austerity, the schools and hospitals, and the relative power of private finance in society. As @tsubaki (a much better poster than I am) has pointed out, much of what is deemed a cult of Corbyn on here consists simply of correcting the absolute nonsense which people who should no better tend to spout about him. In conversations among Labour members, there has always been much more nuance - he has earned the right to contest another election, and if he does not win it, it will be his last.
What is not negotiable, on the other hand, is the moral clarity and the policy direction he has articulated, which irrefutably saved Labour from years of terminal PASOKification.
You're right that Corbyn is not wildly popular among the Joey vote, though I doubt McDonnell would come across any better in the media messaging they absorb. But this sensitivity helps explain the party's Brexit stance - as does the fact that even a small increase among the Joeys could deliver huge parliamentary gains in swing constituencies (whereas they can lose a lot of young people and still win London and university towns). Corbyn's ambiguity on Brexit may be enormously frustrating to educated urban liberals (we can call them Bruce if you like
The supposed 'personality cult' around Corbyn is also vastly overstated, again mostly by people reluctant to come to terms with the economic context that made his candidacy so resonant in 2015. Sure, young people like the communal atmosphere of singing songs about him, and the novelty of a politician who articulates their views, but as with Sanders, they are drawn far more to his politics than his personality. Even if he ultimately disappoints them by settling on a soft Brexit rather than a second vote, he has made Labour far and away the only option they have on no less central issues like austerity, the schools and hospitals, and the relative power of private finance in society. As @tsubaki (a much better poster than I am) has pointed out, much of what is deemed a cult of Corbyn on here consists simply of correcting the absolute nonsense which people who should no better tend to spout about him. In conversations among Labour members, there has always been much more nuance - he has earned the right to contest another election, and if he does not win it, it will be his last.
What is not negotiable, on the other hand, is the moral clarity and the policy direction he has articulated, which irrefutably saved Labour from years of terminal PASOKification.
I suppose the interesting thing is what happens to his policies when they come into contact with reality. I don't follow Greek news that closely, but I'm sure you read our favourite publication's assessment of Syriza this week, and how they have moved quite a bit to the centre out of necessity (and the Greek economy is stronger than it has been for many years as a result). I suspect Corbyn will do likewise.
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Could see the polarisation of extremes after that. All the belligerent fools who think Corbyn is 'a leftie Marxist' would get a bit of a surprise and every radical crank would come out of the woodwork and onto the streets. Could be some on here would be happy with that.
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'Kinda sense'? Ever thought of a career in politics, you having your finger on the pulse and all?
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